Jan 26·1 reply
Valentineyou talking about suburban, mainstream white kids
they in fact, were using iTunes to get their music
they aren’t music nerds rummaging through websites to find downloads and editing the meta data and album covers in iTunes. I was there. lol so this just negates the topic entirely
Jan 26
Ulyanov_Yes but did Kanye contribute to this phenomenon, and how much more severe did the gentrification become due to his contributions? It's a worthwhile question considering his status in pop culture.
i have no clue lol. there’s no way to make really any concrete observations on that front. what u end up finding out w a thread like this is just how many people are willing to say kanye’s responsible for the gentrification of hip hop, whatever that fuvkin means, because they don’t like him anymore and it makes them feel good.
it’s really not a worthwhile question because the premise of one person being responsible for the process of gentrification (something that has been happening since the dawn of human civilization) is f***ing absurd lol
Jan 26Valentineyou talking about suburban, mainstream white kids
they in fact, were using iTunes to get their music
they aren’t music nerds rummaging through websites to find downloads and editing the meta data and album covers in iTunes. I was there. lol so this just negates the topic entirely
i promise you they weren’t
they were the ones pirating the most, it was a very different time from today
- OPJan 26
whippet volverseI blame the Beastie Boys
& Rick RubinNah
Beastie Boys were really part of the scene and by Paul's Boutique they were legit artistic trailblazers. Licensed to Ill was a fun debut but it would have been pretty corny if they did it a second time, at which point it could have began to veer into being gentrified rap. But it just sounded like a punk-edged take on Run-DMC, and punk is a fellow working class, urban genre of music that has strong, foundational contributions from black artists.
- Jan 26·2 repliesUlyanov_
Up until the late 90s, hip hop prided itself on being sonically rugged, provocative, and playing by its own rules. Ye is one of the foremost artists who promoted the idea that this type of hip hop production and ethos was primitive and obsolete. Between not writing his own raps, emphasizing high-budget, maximalist productions in favor of hip hop's traditional DIY approach, and attempting to "civilize" hip hop by incorporating elements of white music and European high art into his catalog, was Kanye really the maverick trailblazer we branded him as from 2004-2018, or has he always been playing the long-game of denaturing hip hop from its formative roots and softening it for white, middle class audiences?
Blaming a Black man for the infiltration of whites is peak Cactivities
it's a complete fallacy to say that Ye as a Black person could ever gentrify a Black Genre through his music with the exception of his Nazi era. I will give him that negative impact
but overall, what he did was great
niggas are too quick to forget 
Jan 26when he produced find your love for drake
- OPJan 26whippet volverse
Blaming a Black man for the infiltration of whites is peak Cactivities
it's a complete fallacy to say that Ye as a Black person could ever gentrify a Black Genre through his music with the exception of his Nazi era. I will give him that negative impact
but overall, what he did was great
niggas are too quick to forgetGentrification isn't purely a racial issue though.
- Jan 26·2 repliesElric
tell me about the suburban white kids you know that was on DatPiff in 2012 bruh, I’d love to hear it, cause I’ve never met them. they was always late to the hiphop trend
- Jan 26whippet volverse
Blaming a Black man for the infiltration of whites is peak Cactivities
it's a complete fallacy to say that Ye as a Black person could ever gentrify a Black Genre through his music with the exception of his Nazi era. I will give him that negative impact
but overall, what he did was great
niggas are too quick to forgetnazi era started in 2016 with TLOP release btw
- Jan 26·1 replyUlyanov_
Eh. It was a pop concession, but not full-on gentrification. Rock music has working class, black roots as well, and the song still sounds like a rap song, just with rock sampling and some guitar.
I think the beginning of the end was honestly The Chronic. That was the first rap album that people took seriously that also felt like it was, in its own way, "too good" to just be a rap album. It had pretty elementary raps for its day and the production, while innovative, was consciously crafted to sound as polished as possible.
Dre's entire narrative around the album at the time was how it was produced unlike any hip hop album before it. This is true, but I fail to see why that A) is a good thing inherently, and B) why it had to depart so much from sampling and lean so heavily into big budget engineering. It was also a relatively softer and more radio-friendly sound than say boom bap or even most jazz rap. You couple that with the remedial technical rapping and problematic subject matter and yeah, that's where it all begins imo.
I feel like Puff Daddy & The Family was worse. At least Dre wasnt sampling world famous whites.
Jan 26·1 replyThroughout the whole Cruel Summer album he highlighted several legends from old NY hip hop but somehow he hates old rap alright
- Jan 26·1 replyValentine
tell me about the suburban white kids you know that was on DatPiff in 2012 bruh, I’d love to hear it, cause I’ve never met them. they was always late to the hiphop trend
did you actually know any suburban white kids in 2012? sincere question
- OPJan 26·1 replyElric
I feel like Puff Daddy & The Family was worse. At least Dre wasnt sampling world famous whites.
I don't care that he sampled world famous white artists. His sampling was just lazy as f***. Dre is a genuine elite craftsman as a producer, Diddy's just a CEO.
- Jan 26·1 replyNothingIs
did you actually know any suburban white kids in 2012? sincere question
my school had like 5% white kids, they weren’t listening to Chief Keef, they were tryna catch a grenade for ya
Jan 26·1 replyWhat the f*** is this thread???
- OPJan 26·2 repliesAbyss
Throughout the whole Cruel Summer album he highlighted several legends from old NY hip hop but somehow he hates old rap alright
I mean he featured Jay Z, Q-Tip, and some Wu-Tang guys. They were all doing fine without Cruel Summer lmao. Jay was still at the height of his commercial powers.
Jan 26NothingIsLost in the World literally samples Bon Iver & put a GSH sample over stomp clap hey
A slowed down jersey club beat is not stomp clap hey lmfao
Semi 🐬Jan 26bakedinatlantaWhat the f*** is this thread???
at this point im convinced this is some data farming psyop
- Jan 26·1 reply
them white kids didn’t care about Keef until GOOD AM
that’s right when he got banned from Chicago and the narrative on him online started changing. white boys was not fw Keef man. such a stupid topic 
Jan 26·1 replyUlyanov_I mean he featured Jay Z, Q-Tip, and some Wu-Tang guys. They were all doing fine without Cruel Summer lmao. Jay was still at the height of his commercial powers.
Mase erasure
- OPJan 26·1 replyGodzillaMinusOne
Mase erasure
Mase was doing fine too
I haven't listened to Cruel Summer in ages
- Jan 26·2 repliesValentine
my school had like 5% white kids, they weren’t listening to Chief Keef, they were tryna catch a grenade for ya
okay, mine had like 90% white kids, and let me tell you, a lot more were listening to rap & downloading mixtapes from datpiff than you’d think
it’s that weird trying to be hard thing they do
Jan 26Taking this thread serious is a testament to how far this site has fallen
UncMC 🏰Jan 26Some are upset I see
- Jan 26·1 replyNothingIs
in retrospect, the guy brought a bunch of white hipsters into the genre, watered down the mainstream sound of hip hop production, and ended his career by promoting nazism
it’s dishonest to pretend like the maga era (started 2016) is detached from the rest of his career leading up to it
how tf is kanye responsible for watering down the sound of hiphop production?
the white hipsters would have come regardless of who was on top at the time. thats what happens when s*** gets mainstream. u get white hipsters.
the Maga s*** is stupid and a stain on his legacy, as is the nazism s*** but none of that is really relevant to what we’re talking abt ur just dumping anti-kanye talking points lol. im not even jacking kanye like that i haven’t liked his music since TLOP lol. i just think its stupid to say he’s somehow responsible for the gentrification of rap, something that would have inevitably happened, regardless of who was #1 when hiphop became dominant in pop culture.
but u rly tried to sneak that stupid s*** in between those points how tf is kanye responsible for watering down the production in hip hop wtf??