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  • rustcohlestan2

    i feel ashamed to admit that was my introduction to janelle monae

    You discovered her and that's what matters

  • Jan 26
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    Ulyanov_

    Bro gentrification does not explicitly entail white people listening to rap. For example, despite how corny he is, I would not say Eminem gentrified rap.

    It's erasing the urban, working class, and indeed black roots of the genre, or at least discrediting/belittling them. Kanye inextricably played a role in this after a certain point in his career. I'd say it definitively began in 2011, but had been trending that way since like 2007.

    I'm not sure what you're saying then fam.

    Eminem and Drake factually attracted lots of suburbanites and foreigners who saw them as safe rappers or "one of the good ones" no differently from how the hipsters and music nerds perceived Ye.

    Eminem definitely "gentrified" rap based on your criteria. I knew so many White kids back in the day who legit didn't care for Black rappers but had Shady in rotation.

    Eminem himself called himself Elvis for that reason and made a whole song about this on "White America." He was a MTV/TLR/pop sensation who brought hip hop to way huger audiences than Pac and Biggie ever did.

  • Jan 26
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    insertcoolnamehere

    because vanilla ice was seen as an object of ridicule. Beastie Boys while white were still like "ok you got your s*** over there" type beat.

    Ridicule that went diamond repeatedly. The hate comes with the love. Run DMC wrote Beastie Boys s***

  • Jan 26
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    Benny Boy

    Ridicule that went diamond repeatedly. The hate comes with the love. Run DMC wrote Beastie Boys s***

    The Vanilla Ice movie >>>>> Goodfellas

  • Jan 26
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    Elric

    Idk man I been a rap fan since the 90s and I didn't notice whites trying to erase/discredit the genres black roots in 2011 any more than they did when Puffy was sampling The fking Police

    That's what I'm saying though bro. It's not explicitly about white people at all honestly. It's about hip hop becoming watered down and sanitized for white audiences, and plenty of black artists played a role in that. White rappers such as Eminem and El-P and even the Beastie Boys did not gentrify hip hop. They also all seem to have more reverence for traditional hip hop than Kanye does, by far honestly.

  • Jan 26
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    Benny Boy

    Ridicule that went diamond repeatedly. The hate comes with the love. Run DMC wrote Beastie Boys s***

    still live in white america no s*** he went diamond lol.

    MC Hammer also went diamond too. And we still aint like that nigga either lol

  • Jan 26
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    CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

    The Vanilla Ice movie >>>>> Goodfellas

    @sab ban please.

  • rustcohlestan2

    i feel ashamed to admit that was my introduction to janelle monae

    i did not know she was on that song until this very moment

  • Jan 26
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    insertcoolnamehere

    @sab ban please.

    Why you hating

  • Jan 26
    Benny Boy

    Biz Markie is not presented as the avatar of street rap the way 50 is in the narrative against Kanye

    I'm just saying that 50 making sung hooks didn't gentrify rap. Rap has never categorically precluded incorporating singing/melodies into it.

  • Jan 26
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    CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN

    Why you hating

    you dissing the greatest italian mobster movie of all time (Goodfellas >> Godfather) is CRAZY

  • Jan 26
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    insertcoolnamehere

    still live in white america no s*** he went diamond lol.

    MC Hammer also went diamond too. And we still aint like that nigga either lol

    MC Hammer was rap's Michael Jackson for a hot minute

  • we losing the plot whet

  • Jan 26
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    Ulyanov_

    That's what I'm saying though bro. It's not explicitly about white people at all honestly. It's about hip hop becoming watered down and sanitized for white audiences, and plenty of black artists played a role in that. White rappers such as Eminem and El-P and even the Beastie Boys did not gentrify hip hop. They also all seem to have more reverence for traditional hip hop than Kanye does, by far honestly.

    Can you show me how Kanye doesn’t have reverence for traditional hip hop?

  • Jan 26
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    annoying thread that has already been done by annoying posters of yesteryears past

    but hey let's keep doing this topic and see if it gets any less insufferable i suppose

  • Jan 26
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    Yayo

    Can you show me how Kanye doesn’t have reverence for traditional hip hop?

    he literally said he hated the s*** he made on drink champs

  • Jan 26
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    insertcoolnamehere

    he literally said he hated the s*** he made on drink champs

    Bro that s*** broke my heart

  • Jan 26
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    Bobby_96

    I'm not sure what you're saying then fam.

    Eminem and Drake factually attracted lots of suburbanites and foreigners who saw them as safe rappers or "one of the good ones" no differently from how the hipsters and music nerds perceived Ye.

    Eminem definitely "gentrified" rap based on your criteria. I knew so many White kids back in the day who legit didn't care for Black rappers but had Shady in rotation.

    Eminem himself called himself Elvis for that reason and made a whole song about this on "White America." He was a MTV/TLR/pop sensation who brought hip hop to way huger audiences than Pac and Biggie ever did.

    I wouldn't call that gentrification though, at least not explicitly. It's more of just traditional racism.

    Gentrification has an explicitly class-based element on top of a racial element. Eminem being white and inadvertently attracting tons of white fans despite making respectable rap music isn't his fault. Kanye going out of his way to call old school rap primitive/basic because the artists didn't have $2m at their disposal for production is gentrification.

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    insertcoolnamehere

    he literally said he hated the s*** he made on drink champs

    Did he mean that or did he just try to get at Kweli during that segment? Because he was praising a whole lot of traditional hip hop in that interview also

  • SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻
    Jan 26
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    insertcoolnamehere

    @sab ban please.

    depends

    which movie? That’s My Boy was funny

  • Yayo

    Did he mean that or did he just try to get at Kweli during that segment? Because he was praising a whole lot of traditional hip hop in that interview also

    Touché you know what, I'm wrong

  • SABMAN TURNT

    depends

    which movie? That’s My Boy was funny

    sab gotta ban sab PLEASE

  • Jan 26
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    thriftstorepradas

    Bro that s*** broke my heart

    nah he mighta just been being petty against kweli, yayo is right.

  • BLACK
    Jan 26
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    Yeezus gentrified rap

  • insertcoolnamehere

    nah he mighta just been being petty against kweli, yayo is right.

    I def think he was being petty esp at Talib as well as being a contrarion, but he's shat on LR/tcd a couple times iirc

    Called them democrat music one time

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