need travis to make his own beats for utopia

How can actually think this when literally everything he has done since astro is complete trash lol

First half of Astroworld is solid, from like halfway point on it gets very commercial and mid imo

Idk if we will ever see a huge mainstream artist fully lock in sonically and conceptually on an album again, without sacrificing their vision for commercial success... only one who has ever really done that is Ye

rodeo still his magnum opus and one of the greatest debuts of the 2010s

astro is still good imo besides some fillers tracks. it also aged pretty well

i have high hopes for utopia

I always wonder how astroworld would be received if Travis never blew up to the level he’s currently at and stayed at say his pre antidote level of fame etc

Prob the same as rodeo

Astroworld is garbage

Nope

The monthly pointless "Travis Scott albums debate" on KTT

i don’t dislike much he did after rodeo, but rodeo is like a top 15 hip-hop project of the decade for me. it’s not a knock saying he hasn’t topped it just like it isn’t a knock saying kanye hasn’t eclipsed mbdtf

I agree Birds is super underrated

Because it isn't true

Rodeo was more substance and Astro had kinda the same art quality that pablo had. Rodeo better imo cause it was fresh, and because he talks about more real s*** on there. Both are fire and so is huncho jack tbh

Dbr is not better than rodeo in any way we need to stop this

I think Birds still his best overall project. Astroworld probably has higher highs which is why people say it’s his best

Not true. The only song off rodeo that’s aged well is Nightcrawler

You have pitiful taste

Get yo nostalgic dumbass on somewhere

Rodeo is his best project but Astroworld was a very worthy successor to it, both are classics in their own right

Astroworld's biggest shortcoming is its over-reliance on gimmicks. It lacks the depth and complexity that Rodeo has in all aspects - production, vocals, drums, lyricism and charisma.

The production across all of Rodeo is so rich and detailed, the entire album sounds expensive and grandiose. Astroworld has some flashes of that throughout, but ultimately devolves (particularly in the last third of the album) into more conventional trap instrumentation.

I always think the use of drums in both albums exemplifies this point the best. Think of how memorable the drums are in the second half of 90210, or how they're intertwined with the bass-heavy building beat of Pray 4 Love.

The craftsmanship behind Rodeo is so much more intricate and as a result the album doesn't have to rely on gimmicks. Whereas Astroworld a lot of the time does resort to gimmicks to impress - the sloppy beat-switches on Stargazing & Sicko, James Blake on the outro of STTBG, Skeletons crude verse, Juice WRLD's inclusion on No Bystanders. These elements are by no means bad, quite the opposite, they are cool moments, but ultimately the album relies too heavily on impressing the first-time round that after digesting the album these surface-level gimmicks point to a album conscious of its own superficiality.

Rodeo = Substance

Astroworld = Style

Basically

Astro > rodeo > birds > dbr > huncho > owl > that trash label album or whatever it was

Some KTTers are insecure about their music taste put that down to immaturity and a lack of life experience.

Trav is awesome and i had a really awesome time when i saw him live.