that isn’t a substantial policy

he wants to keep abortion legalized, he’s just opposed to it morally

do you have anything else

no point in watching an event dedicated to kanye's attempt at explaining his ideas just seems premature to call most of his ideas vague, almost meaningless if you haven't actually attempted to learn if you even know what all his presented ideas are

He literally has them listed on.his website and I heard the interview where he first went over them

Wheres the substance in them

thas not what i'm talkin about though; he presented more ideas than just those 10 on his website and whatever he put out in the forbes interview. in fact, if you only go by those 2 sources, you'd hypothetically still be under the impression that he's pro-life, whereas the SC rally confirmed that kanye's stance is actually pro-choice in regards to governing america, but pro-life on a personal level. that perspective also led him to presenting the idea that american politics shouldn't just be thinking about pro-choice/pro-life, but should also include thinking about how to eliminate abortions that are had due to the expected financial pain a child may bring a low-income family. i think that idea is a great one to strive for; i'd assume many low-income people want to have children, and i'd also assume that low-income potential parents would be sad to make a decision that having a child during their time in poverty would only make their lives, and perhaps their child's, worse, thus leading to an abortion.

granted, the idea he said in the rally was to give ppl having babies $1mil or something like that, and that's a really easy idea to call stupid. but i don't think he was being literal when he said that because it's obviously a stupid idea, and i think kanye knows enough about how people try to take advantage of incentives (he's a celebrity; people try to take advantage of him using incentives all the time) that he wouldn't carry that "$1mil if u have a baby" rule onward. the point of his stance is that he believes women should be allowed abortions, but he also thinks we should aim to create measures that lead to fewer abortions if the reason for said abortion is financial. from only forbes and his website, you wouldn't know that.

blah blah blah. the point i'm trying to say is that the rally has more than the sources you've claimed to tune into, and i think it'd be worth your time. and also u still can't call most of his ideas vague bordering meaningless if u haven't learned those he's presented, which u probably haven't cus there's more in the rally than you know from other sources

and also i initially disagreed with you because i sincerely don't think all his ideas are bad i don't think he's being a favorable political candidate, i won't be voting for him (didn't even make the ballot in my state lmao), but i think he's been expressing ideas that are worth considering. they're not all good and they're not all bad

Except I'm well aware of that idea he proposed and expanded on. But this is his platform. Most of the ideas hes presented have been done so in a vague way likely because he doesn't actually have any idea what he wants to do.

i agree with you there; i don't know how he plans on doing many of the things he talks about. so actually i agree with u that his ideas are vague. i suppose it was the "meaningless" part that made me wanna argue

i still find them to be ideas worth considering though, meaning i don't think his ideas in general should be outright dismissed. on a political "this is what we're going to do/change" level, sure, they're useless in that sense b/c there's no concrete plan right now. but they still have meaning cus they're worth thinking about, espc if that thinking ends up leading to a plan that'd actualize those goals

not everything needs a concrete plan tho. intentions are what matters, that then allows a plan to be made.
especially when intentions are so radical

regardless this leaves alot of kanye fans in a hard place. the media calls him crazy, other people on the forum call anyone who supports some of his actions crazy and just rules them out as stans.

when really, there is alot of lines being misread on both parts. There is definitely alot of fact from fiction to be split. Yes Tucker Carlson has racist takes , but in this particular segment he is actually speaking facts.

I think the only thing people can go off is Kanye's intentions, now thats determined if you think kanye is only in this world to make money for himself as hes a narcissit, and he lost his soul

or whether or not you believe what he says and that he genuinely wants to make the world better

And not only does everyone have to decipher that, in addition you have to add on the fact whether or not you truly believe this nigga has turned crazy or not. Hes very coherent at times and also very non coherent at times

plans do matter. you can intend to be an education reformer and have that manifest itself in charter schools and private institutions rather than a robust public education service.

if we just go down the list one by one, not many are really worth thinking about at all lol.

1. prayer in school, religious foundations etc., - trash.

2. restore sound national economy - student debt thing is good, but dont reduce it, eliminate it. not sure what he means by household debt, but the national debt s*** is dumb. thats deficit hawking which is a republican and sometimes democrat scare tactic about spending on social programs

3. This is where vagueness hurts. is he going to go down the road of charter/private schools? or does he mean he wants to transform public school to be more equal/equitable across the board? one of these is good, one of them isn't.

4. this is just trump type rhetoric in a sense, but as a foreign policy commitment, its trash still.

5. good i suppose even if theres no actionable plan behind it, and its something he'll soon find out isn't possible under a capitalist framework

6. similar to five. police can't be reformed. these are the two where i'll say he's probably just not educated enough to come to the proper solutions but has good intentions.

7. obviously well intentioned but doesn't meet the scope of the problem that is the climate crisis

8. more protectionist rhetoric that is largely irrelevant since we're dealing with a global capitalist framework.

9. uhm no lol

10. this sounds good? like the sentence itself is just vague nonsense, he could just say a renewed focus on the arts lol

i haven't been talkin bout the list i'm referencing the rally, which has content not contained in the list or his forbes interviews

let's leave it be; i respect ur opinions and confidence but we're veering the argument way offa what i was originally talkin bout

i encourage u 2 view the rally if u ever get the urge

the rally is useless nonsense lmao. if he had expanded upon these ideas in any meaningful fashion, it would be on this forum. these are the actual ideas in his platform and clearly what he deems important.

I’m not going to argue with you. Jesus is King.

He has substantial policy regarding a financial stimulus for families who choose to keep the kid

Obviously supporters of the white supremacist planned parenthood organization will oppose this

his policy involved giving everybody that has a baby anywhere from 50k to 1 mil per year

how is this substantial or economically feasible in any way

it ain't and it wouldn't work cus too many ppl would take advantage of that

i mean it obviously would benefit some part of the population, but as it stands now that idea is also capable of extreme abuse lol

So? Ask any politician for an exact dollar figure on healthcare premiums for their proposed plan. They probably wouldn't have an answer.

ok? im not talking about those plans, im talking about kanye's, and you have not provided me one policy that he has put thought into

Right but you can clearly see from this example that Kanye isn't being given the same treatment as literally any other political figure, at least by you. Here are some other policy examples I pulled off his campaign website, you can read more at kanye2020.country

Reform the approach to policing in a manner that treats all Americans the same, regardless of race, color, or ethnicity. Refocus police forces on real crime. Eliminate federal sentencing guidelines that tie the hands of judges, resulting in ridiculous sentences for the most minor offenses. (this refers to nonviolent criminals getting lower sentences, like Alice Johnson)

Take care of the environment, diligently pursuing clean air and water as a national security priority and making renewables top priority. (this is essentially saying he would declare the energy crisis a national security emergency)

that website is his political stances, not his policies

even if i were to grant you that those were his policies, the first point on the website is a complete contradiction

also, the two points that you brought up are part of bidens platform so why should i take kanye over him

This is actually the first part of the video I disagreed with. People are Kanye mentally ill because he himself said he was diagnosed bipolar. Kanye wasn’t considered to be mentally ill until he said so himself

F*** this c***. Biggest scum on tv besides Hannity