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  • Sep 23, 2020
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    d stoner

    Its not that the labels wouldnt like to make money back.

    Its that the investment ISNT going to pay out.

    Look at young thug. It doesnt matter how much u invest if these ppl cant market themselves.

    Except this isn’t true now

    Literally just getting an artist on a Spotify playlist can net $100k+ for the label. There really are not that many artists who are getting investment that is proportions higher than that and the ones that are are already proven successes

    And blaming thug for his lack of popularity is bizarre that’s absolutely on the label lol

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    Lightsxo

    I’m sorry but all of your arguments are emotive and not objective lmao.

    Talking about the righteousness not looking at facts and legality.

    Music labels gotta eat so they can make your next favourite artist.

    If my fave artist was fr the lead creative on his projects, he'd get his masters in court if he tried.

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    d stoner

    If my fave artist was fr the lead creative on his projects, he'd get his masters in court if he tried.

    That’s not how it works lol

  • Sep 23, 2020
    d stoner

    If my fave artist was fr the lead creative on his projects, he'd get his masters in court if he tried.

    I would think a record label contract would be written much better than even if he was prince level involvement it wouldn’t make a difference cause the contract is iron clad.

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    safe

    Except this isn’t true now

    Literally just getting an artist on a Spotify playlist can net $100k+ for the label. There really are not that many artists who are getting investment that is proportions higher than that and the ones that are are already proven successes

    And blaming thug for his lack of popularity is bizarre that’s absolutely on the label lol

    Youve seen the video of lyor telling him to put more effort in his records right?

    What else could the label have possibly done for him?

  • Sep 23, 2020

    Labels are entirely unnecessary at this point so yeah artists should def have control of their own masters

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    Artist: signs bad contract willingly
    Artist: asks label for most valuable asset, masters
    Label:no
    Artist: wah wah wah

  • If they want their masters just don't sign unless you get them. It could all be so simple.

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    d stoner

    Youve seen the video of lyor telling him to put more effort in his records right?

    What else could the label have possibly done for him?

    Literally what they did for So Much Fun

    They got Travis and Cole on a song, marketed the song properly, made it into a hit

    Then released an album with that song on it, with decent features, that was a good length

    Thugs label regularly made bizarre decisions with his music and releases

    The first genuinely great rollout they did he sold 6x as much first week as his previous highest lol

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    safe

    That’s not how it works lol

    It is tho. Its happened.

    On paper, they dont have the right to those masters either.

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    No avys really been wilding lately

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    d stoner

    It is tho. Its happened.

    On paper, they dont have the right to those masters either.

    Except if the artist has willingly agreed to sign them to the label and for the label to have full ownership they’re not getting them back just because they were the creator of them

    That would just set precedent to invalidate thousands of contracts

  • Sep 23, 2020
    Sinewave

    No avys really been wilding lately

  • Sep 23, 2020
    safe

    No it’s not

    Your argument before is valid if labels are owning a percentage of their masters
    But they’re not

    It’s outright ownership

    A company like Amazon still has Bezos with a huge ownership stake even though he wasn’t the one fronting up the money

    I actually agree that in a lot of cases labels should or could own a percentage of masters
    I think a lease is more in labels interests but semantics

    But there’s leaps and bounds between 10 year contracts that sign away all masters, have huge and aces and costs and royalty rates of 12% and what you’re talking about

    Fam Bezos owns a huge amount of Amazon because his own parents literally just gave him the start up money he needed to launch himself lmao. It’s not a normal case.

    A lot of these startups, the actual creator of the product doesn’t get that big of an amount of ownership if he’s asking for a big investment lmao. The ones where the creators still own a big part of the business is where the product is so complex that the investors couldn’t do it by themselves or that the opportunity cost of getting into the industry is too big for them to look around for someone else or to make it themselves, which isn’t the case in music.

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    safe

    Literally what they did for So Much Fun

    They got Travis and Cole on a song, marketed the song properly, made it into a hit

    Then released an album with that song on it, with decent features, that was a good length

    Thugs label regularly made bizarre decisions with his music and releases

    The first genuinely great rollout they did he sold 6x as much first week as his previous highest lol

    It didnt sell better tho.

    It streamed better, and streaming numbers should be taken with a grain of salt (in comparison), cuz theres more factors at play than with pure sales.

  • Sep 23, 2020
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    d stoner

    It didnt sell better tho.

    It streamed better, and streaming numbers should be taken with a grain of salt (in comparison), cuz theres more factors at play than with pure sales.

  • Sep 23, 2020

    OP I have a very promising job for you licking boots, I think you’d really excel in the role

  • Sep 23, 2020
    safe

    Except if the artist has willingly agreed to sign them to the label and for the label to have full ownership they’re not getting them back just because they were the creator of them

    That would just set precedent to invalidate thousands of contracts

    But it HAS happened before.

    I dont remember off the top who has won a case about it, but im sure i could google a few.

  • Sep 23, 2020

    People just side with their favourite artist and have no critical thinking lmao.

  • Sep 23, 2020

    this is very simple for you slow folks
    the music industry does not exist without the artists actually creating the music
    therefore they should be given at the very least 51%

    Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk

  • Sep 23, 2020
    safe

    Ur putting all blame on thugs label, and giving him all of the labels credit.

    If its the labels fault, then theyre at fault for not drastically changing his image after barter 5 or whatever the f*** it was.

    A skinny twink dude rocking hooters shirts and dresses has limited marketability... Im not even being mean, its just the truth.

  • Sep 23, 2020

    Y’all get your way and big artists rn will get really really rich, nationwide and global artists will be a thing of the past and a s*** ton of aspiring small artists will starve

  • Sep 23, 2020

    Labels should not sign artists into f***ed deals but at the same time if someone is willing to sign a f***ed deal then atleast some of the blame is on them

  • HURRY UP sab 🧔🏻
    Sep 23, 2020
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    martian master

    Artist: signs bad contract willingly
    Artist: asks label for most valuable asset, masters
    Label:no
    Artist: wah wah wah

    aren’t you a whole Wayne stan? did you forget what happened with C5 already?