How about this please ban me when companies just start giving away their IP for nothing like this thread wants

OP you making too much sense and these kids who actually believe labels do nothing for the artist aren't going to understand. Although like another poster said, artists should be allowed to buy back their masters at some point. If not fully, they should be allowed to buy back some percentage of it.

I don't agree because you used the word "entitled". Some of the posters itt have expounded, have suggested some things like owning it for some time etc.

Most of the responses itt suck though. For a music forum it seems like this sxn isn't articulate or thoughtful on any issues besides blatant d***riding of their favorite artists.

If Netflix produces and pays upfront for a show or something how much the creator own? I think it unfair for artists to not have any ownership. And the practice didn't start because of recoupment. It was initially predatory.

Idk if it can be done but the label should get primary ownership and should have to buy out the artist for their portion. Instead of getting the whole thing at the beginning.

There would be no music to market if not for the artists?

No labels would exist if not for the artist

Lmao that’s like saying LeBron James or Michael Jordan shouldn’t own their likeness because the NBA is the ones who put them on television

There should be a 50/50 split for the duration of a deal and then it reverts back to artist automatically.

Like how do we even get to a point where you think a relationship or being able to put someone in a magazine is more important than the actual art that is the reason Billboard Magazine or whatever you consider good marketing to be exists

op im sure your take wouldnt be unpopular among music execs!

What you could’ve said is let the artist choose. Lupe broke it down good in the video where he talks about Kanye in the beginning

But of course that part didn’t go viral

I think the labels should have possession of the masters for a while @op but that lifetime or 35 year s*** is ridiculous

You make a good point. My question is what do you consider the creator (producer, writer, director) .

At the end of the day the studio is going to own the movie, the producers will most likely negotiate points on the back end. However writers probably don't own the movie

@homiej2 please leave you are f***ing trash

I feel like if the idea of "recouping" wasn't a thing, ppl would be more in favor of certain s*** a label does. but as it stands now, you can have a triple platinum song and be in debt to your label.

MJ doesn’t get paid from his 90’s games now lol, the NBA does. Bron won’t get paid from the games he’s playing now 20 years in the future lol.

The NBA owns the recording of the games just like the labels own artist’s masters. It’s just not brought up as much because those old recordings aren’t that valuable compared to masters

I think maybe a percent. If I am going to provide you a platform and the money to become successful I am not just going to hand over my IP.

This

The label doesn't own the likeness.

However, if Lebron, Jordan, or any player wants to use game footage for anything they have to get the NBA's permission because they own the games that they played as NBA employees.

The NBA is not going to give Lebron or Jordan money off the game footage they own.

I agree lol

Only one side of the story is being told because fans only listen to artists so they side with them 100% but money imo is the biggest factor begind an artist making it lol and you can’t expect labels to put up so much money and not own anything but on the other hand these companies been on some bs forever

Exactly, there are tons of rappers out there that have good music that never gets heard because they don't have the platform.

There is value in the platform, promotion, etc..

You're right. This is tricky because it's hard to split ownership of art or IP. It's not like a company or other types of assets.

But I think the label should pay for the ownership rights. I think that's my position. An artist doesn't own a painting after it's been paid for. A writer doesn't own a script after it's been paid for.

And I'll say again. The music business was formed on predatory behavior.

The issue with labels is that they’re predatory af. They hand out slave deals to poor kids who dont know any better, milk them of their creativity during their prime and then wont even let the artist buy their masters back after the deal is done

Imagine making this thread.

the label does own the likeness in many deals, bc that’s part of their predatory tactics