You hit the nail on the head.

When you look at most, if not all, of the most beloved shows of all time, what do they all have in common?

Ensemble casts. Characters bouncing off of each other & interacting heavily.

Pluribus is the complete inverse of this. 90% of the runtime is focused on one character. The majority of the other “characters” in the one single hive-mind, eventually reducing them all to one single character. And then there’s the other survivors, who we’ve seen basically for a total of one episode together, or isolated themselves in the case of Manousos.

That’s why I said that Pluribus’s “slow” is entirely different from BCS & BB’s “slow”. Those two shows still had ensemble casts to keep average viewers engaged in. Pluribus does not have that (yet).

The average person watches TV to fall in love with the characters. So far, there haven’t been many to fall in love with in Pluribus, and the main one is extremely miserable to the point of being unlikable for most people

It’s definitely slow that’s not even arguable man

I was only comparing it to the wire in pacing terms, they literally the opposite in everything else what you even talking about

Just because Gilligan wants to make a minimalistic work doesn't make it better or worse than any other show with 200 characters

Usually when people describe a show as “slow” or “boring”, they mean that not much is happening besides people talking in rooms. Fair.

Pluribus doesn’t even have that

It’s mostly Carol doing something alone while barely speaking. That’s why I said this show’s slow is different from other shows’ slow

thx for confirming the "2x generation" theory lol

Sure, and amount of dialogue is not the only way to measure whether something is fast or slow paced. You're operating from a different value system than me. You raise the lack of dialogue, and I raise the stakes and mystery and comedy and emotion. All these things contribute to the pace as well.

There is only so much I can care about a cure in a world I saw non infected for all of a hour of 7. Carol and Helen I feel bad for her loss but let’s say we ship her and zoisia them kissing or confessing their love for each other won’t do much for me . I was personally hooked by the possibility each of the immune would have their own thoughts and loved ones or reason they couldn’t resist hive. Seeing that would help me . I get the Carol focus but I can’t think of a show that has been this focused on so few characters . It is still magic that he makes it work this well

What are the stakes ? Episode to episode you know 100% Carol will not be turned or die . She may eventually “ cure” this or aliens show up but what are the true stakes she has plot armor and he said he aims for 4 seasons

It is arguable. This is not objective. Art is a subjective experience.

I watched the episode twice you miss the point because out of paragraphs you can only respond to one sentence

You comparing this to the wire says everything lol

Words have meaning. If I said Pluribus was fast-paced that is objectively incorrect, there is nothing fast-paced about it

But for the average person it is, nobody said anything about what you value. We’re talking about casual viewers’ mixed reception to this series so far.

The casual audience member wants dialogue in their films and shows, that is undeniably true

The stakes are that our characters are trying to save the world. On top of that, the stakes are that our characters are trapped in a sociological experiment where they're suffering from loneliness on an extreme scale.

exactly this lmao

I disagree. Slowness is an objective measurement, the personal observation of the slowness is what makes it subjective.

Jeanne Dielman (using an obvious example of something a lot of people call slow) IS absolutely slow, but it almost always finds itself in a rhythm that entrances or wonders.

I couldn't give less of a f*** about what casual viewers want and thank god there's still artists out there that also don't give a f*** about what casual viewers want

I think you're right. I will correct: Where we draw the line for slowness is arguable. So, it's somewhere between Jeanne Dielman and Fast and Furious.

This thread is gonna be a hilarious s***show for years

Copy pasting for my previous reply cuz u either skipped it or have serious lack of comprehension skills:

I was only comparing it to the wire in pacing terms, they literally the opposite in everything else what you even talking about

Just because Gilligan wants to make a minimalistic work doesn't make it better or worse than any other show with 200 characters

I'm not just talking about what I value, I'm talking about what other people value as well. I don't feel that the reaction to this show is any more divisive than the one to BCS was. Also take into account, this is Apple TV's most streamed show.

Well finally a fictional piece that provokes multiple conversations

The stakes actually don't feel that high to me. So far I don't really care what happens to Carol if I'm honest, her loved one is gone and she doesn't really like people so she will probably be unhappy anyway. I assume she had no family as that's not been mentioned. Everyone else is happy.

I'm intrigued in how this season will end though and what "saving the world" means.

I would like to know what that alien signal was, what was significant about it since it was happening for millions of years, and why the signal was needed when they could turn all humans when they wanted to anyway (and I'm not sure how they did that).

Yeah off the Vince Gilligan name, he’s TV royalty

The interesting metrics will be how many people return for Season 2

Don't really mind the complaints. It is a pretty slow show. Doesn't mean it isn't actively building to something special.

Gilligan is a slow burner and most audiences haven't watched him from the start in real time. BB's crowd is almost entirely binge watchers. A lot of the audience here is goodwill from Gilligan's reputation more than it is the premise bringing them in.

Everything doesn't always have to come down to complaining about attention spans. What do you really expect when there's only 1 character and essentially no recurring cast? If you're not buying into Carol yet there's basically nothing to hold you down.

We don't actually know where this goes either or what the stakes really are.