It seems like every conversation surrounding hip hop and rap music is always about the numbers and first week sales nowadays.
Talks about music quality and writing are becoming rare. Its almost as if people become fans of someone's music based on how many units they sell. Am i pessimistic or has it always been like this.

no that's just stan culture and it's not just hip hop

it's even worse in the pop stan world tbh

It’s all bout merch now

My JackBoy rims crazy

Talks about music quality are

classic, mid, trash

The end

50 started that. Nigga use to be obsessed with numbers and would clown people sales all the time. Actually I wouldn’t say he started it but he’s a big reason why people care about numbers now.

That sucks.... Also any kind of criticism is labeled as "hating"

Nah I listen to old Jay-Z and he talking records sales and flop artists back in 90’s.

Tupac did you interviews talking bout artists flopping and him selling.

Seeing him clown on people made you wanna pay attention to sales. 50’s main thing during his prime besides quality was numbers, he made it an event. That’s just when I noticed fans slowly starting to care about numbers. Then the 2007 sales battle helped as well.

It’s always been seen as bad for your album to flop. It makes sense lol

Your s*** ain’t sellin cuz no one wanna hear it

Interesting

I get it why the artists would be invested in the sales. I just don't understand why the fans are so invested

It’s either biased opinions or sales

Same thing lol

I’m more worried about the fans obsessed with pitchfork/Fantanos

don't worry about yourself

And that s*** backfired on him in '07 too

Jay z the originator of that s***

HOV too influential

Got shot 5 times, got out of jail on bail
And sold 5 million
Sold more records then all you trick motherfuckers put together - Tupac

People saying jay z and 50 which I agree with on the mainstream level but I think they may have gotten it from big L. They were both ny niggas too

“Cause on the shelf is where your LP cold stood Because it was no good, that s*** ain't even go wood.”

Jay got it from Biggie just like everything else lol

"Don't be mad, UPS is hiring" that kinda talk

only since forum niggas and streaming/chart niggas starting having kids

It’s the frickin backbone of hippity hops to be the best!

Nah there's a vid where Nas talks about how Biggie went plat first and then there was pressure on him to do it with IWW and they had a phone conversation about it