May 28, 2022
Iron Lion ZionAt this rate i don't see rap remaining sustainable the way things are. I can see other genres slowly taking over in the next 5 years if more rappers don't start becoming crafty and innovate again.
pop slowly taking over again
May 28, 2022
onetwoletās hope Yeat is faking the lean like Future
Yeat look pregnant so I doubt it
May 28, 2022Ā·1 replyIron Lion ZionAt this rate i don't see rap remaining sustainable the way things are. I can see other genres slowly taking over in the next 5 years if more rappers don't start becoming crafty and innovate again.
Good. These cacs will finally stop bandwagoning the genre.
Water Giver š§OPMay 28, 2022Ā·editedĀ·1 replyFor those that dont think its a big deal:
Imagine if Drake, Kendrick, Cole, Future & Travis Scott (that gens big 5) all died or jailed during or before their debut album.
S*** looks different dont it? And thats a huge hole that would basically take years & years to fill.
This is the scale our genre got f***ed & is now running in place.
May 28, 2022Water GiverĀ· edited2017 forward to today, the gen after the Cole, Drake, Kendrick, Uzi, Travis, Future, Young Thug etc. era.
Juice Wrld dead, Xxxtentacion dead, Pop Smoke dead, King Von dead, Lil Peep dead, Drakeo the Ruler dead, YNW Melly jail, RondaNumbaNine jail, Pooh Shiesty jail, Tay K jail, Rod Wave arrested might go to jail, 03 Greedo jail, Valee basically retired to do sculpting, Sheck Wes basically retired to do basketball, 6ix9ine fell off, Cordae fell off, Trippie Redd fell off, Roddy Ricch fell off, DaBaby seems to be falling off etc.
Almost everyone has died, arrested/jailed, quit or fell off. Dying being the biggest then jailing being the second biggest.
On top of that, Covid happened. So a lot of projects, opportunities, tours, signings, hype, buzz, collabs etc. for newer artists fell flat.
These Artists falling in unfortunate circumstances plus Covid made us skip a generation & extended the prior generation's run/era even further. Im of course talking mainstream & major underground, & of course not everyone is gone. Most, especially the big players & leaders are tho.
The big Artists of the next gen, which should be now, are all gone. I dont think people really realize how big of a deal that is & the ramifications. How bad it altered the genre's timeline. It takes 2 to 4 years for a Rapper to pop or at the very least get realitively relevant. The Artists that already put in that work to pop in the next era, are now gone. That means the next crop of artists that was/are/were suppose to come after the Xxx, Juice, Pop era are still "training".
- And their impact & influence does not exist/extend as much as it should/would due to early untimely deaths & jailings, meaning the next-next gen doesnt have an "elder" to gain from either as much. Unlike how Drake, Kendrick & Cole had Kanye, Lil Wayne & 50 Cent to look at & build off from. So repetition of already styles & concepts are more likely to happen for that era, instead of evolving. Thats just my own speculation tho, time will really tell.
Regardless, there is no stop-gap. We skipped a whole gen + sound & have to wait for the next-next gen to stop by without anything here in the meantime.
I believe this is why the previous gen Artists I mentioned above in the beginning are still so dominate. The people to past the baton too got injured, with only a very few survivors left like Baby Keem, & the next crop slowly happening like Yeat. So the vets are "holding it down" for the time being.
Its terrible. This has never happened in any genre I dont think, even in Rap beforehand. Closes example are the 2Pac & Biggie deaths, & imo we're lucky the Rap genre of today didnt crash. Niggas died & went to jail bro. We're talking dozens & dozens. And many of them were huge, or uprising to be huge. A lot of people did support & we're rooting for them.
Wether you liked those artists or not (looking at you, fellow bitter old niggas), its an unprecedented scenario. Its a sad timeline.
No other genre has to deal with this. Within 3 to 5 years we lost a whole class, a whole era. Literally the whole now generation & the next movement.
And we wonder why the genre feels slow, or that there is not too many new faces at the moment...
Juice, X, and Pop Smoke are huge losses as they were all in their early 20. Think about just before they died they were all already insanely popular and they could only really go up. Juice and X already had #1 albums and songs, were already on radio and Pop was introducing a new sound to masses.
I firmly believe if Pop doesn't die we'd be looking as Drill as the new dominant sound, overtaking what is almost a decade of Trap. He was already starting to crossover too, if you listen to Meet the Woo 2 and Shoot for the Stars Aim For The Moon the some of the best songs were those 50 Cent-ish R&B crossovers. Then for artists like Quavo, he was finding a little bit of a new home in the sound, he was great as one of Pop Smoke's features. Fivio was also a good second in the sound. Now without the head of the snake the body has kinda withered. Drill is now a way to spice it up for the biggest mainstream artists instead of being a paradigm shift like Pop Smoke was making it.
I think the next gen right now is slightly underdeveloped but fans are looking for the new cats to come up. Yeat, Baby Keem and Don Toliver (Although I think Toliver is pretty established at this point) are big standouts right now.
PINK HNDRXX FREE š¦May 28, 2022Juice WRLD was on such a trayectory
Always made great music and also had the popularity
May 28, 2022D DotGood. These cacs will finally stop bandwagoning the genre.
May 28, 2022Ā·editedĀ·1 reply@op but 2Pac, Biggie, Big L, Big Pun, Eazy E all died within like 5 years of each other and these were all bigger artists and a bigger blow to the hiphop community, but the 90ās still >>>
May 28, 2022
rather lateRIP Dolph i barely see people shout him out anymore
Was really one of the best popping rappers as well
May 28, 2022rather lateRIP Dolph i barely see people shout him out anymore
man dolph š¢
May 28, 2022"realitively relevant"
"realitively"
May 28, 2022this is facts.
The number of losses that the genre has seen in the last couple of years has left Hip Hop is a more fragile state than it was after Biggie and Pac died
SaintJitterxburgFL šŖ²May 28, 2022lil ufohiphop needs to heal man, change the lean for some tea or whatev
Ok this NLE Choppa
May 28, 2022
gnarlynastyHonestly,I feel like this last gen just catered way to much to thug/drug culture and did way too much pandering vs that old gen of the late 2000s/early 10s that catered to emos,loverboys,nerds etc. This last gen basically tried to recreate that peer pressure the early Y2K era of rap,07 Ye/Lupe and even Pharrell throughout the yrs that decade helped rap fans get outta that and made it cool to be different.
I donāt see anyone on the horizon like 07 Ye so,idk where this rap s*** is going cause itās stuck. Itās definitely not good tho.
i feel like at some point the oversaturation of trap in the mainstream will cause it to collapse in on itself. i donāt see another blog era type rapper coming out thatās massively influenced by ye to the point where theyāre like gambino or trav doing a lot of homages. idk where rap going but itās in a bad place.
- May 28, 2022
this is true
- May 28, 2022Ā·1 replyAftermathbws_Ā· edited
@op but 2Pac, Biggie, Big L, Big Pun, Eazy E all died within like 5 years of each other and these were all bigger artists and a bigger blow to the hiphop community, but the 90ās still >>>
but there was hov mobb deep dre etc at the time. rap was so stacked in the 90s that it was able to continue even after those deaths
May 28, 2022Ā·editedNBA Youngboy lowkey is one of the only ones of the second half of the 10s that has been able to mantain himself and grow even with all the drama and going in and out of jail
Other than him I can only think off Rod Wave, Lil Baby and Moneybagg Yo
May 28, 2022I also feel like this situation with Thug and Gunna really doing a huge effect on Hip-Hop as well. But that's just my opinion.
I feel like it's time for Rap to get away from D*** and Gang Culture, and focus on a better movement where we see a great breed of talent that mostly focusing on positivity, but also put light on their negative past.
- May 28, 2022Ā·1 replyv12
but there was hov mobb deep dre etc at the time. rap was so stacked in the 90s that it was able to continue even after those deaths
Thatās kinda my point though. The generation wasnāt skipped, neither was this one, thereās just not that talent pool in the mainstream like thereās been in the past
- May 28, 2022Ā·1 replyAftermathbws_
Thatās kinda my point though. The generation wasnāt skipped, neither was this one, thereās just not that talent pool in the mainstream like thereās been in the past
tbh it sort of has for this generation because the talent pool is much smaller in the mainstream that who can be another pop smoke š¤·šæ
- May 28, 2022Ā·1 replyv12
tbh it sort of has for this generation because the talent pool is much smaller in the mainstream that who can be another pop smoke š¤·šæ
Tbh I didnāt read OP, just the title
- May 28, 2022Aftermathbws_
Tbh I didnāt read OP, just the title
fair enough
May 28, 2022Ā·1 replycouldve mentioned duck too he was making big moves
- May 28, 2022Ā·6 replies
yall so out of touch its crazy, when Nas X and Doja are both leading the pack
May 28, 2022Fiddyyall so out of touch its crazy, when Nas X and Doja are both leading the pack
Are you saying that like itās a positive situation