I agree. I just wanted to say that 808s influence did have a wave when it dropped that you kind of had to be there for. 808s era Y and Cudi were big players in charging a true paradigm shift in street style also if that counts for anything

Cool asf yea for sure.

What Trilogy, Nostalgia Ultra and So Far Gone did for RnB is insane.

We went from the Chris Brown/Usher arc type (dance and sing songs partially written by amazing writers) to this dark and autobiographical RnB.

So it gotta be 808s, right?

Oh my bad so to clarify I’m just talking rap. That’s fair though I’ll add it. I don’t think 808s is what caused house of balloons though. That’s much more a mix of weeknd’s rock influences like cocteau twins, indie and beach house, with the dream and his love for film I thought. And frank had a bright sound early on v inspired by like older indie, rock, and r&b acts.

Anyone mention Culture by Migos yet? That specific triplet flow and new Atlanta sound was obviously already pretty big, but that felt like the explosion point in hindsight

Yeezus is almost as influential as 808's tbh

Feel like YRN would be more fitting tho

Sure but it’s only a few artists who cite it and if you really look at what they grew up on and how it developed 808s played a role sure but it was alongside a bunch of other stuff that was equally as if not more influential for shaping the melodic shift of rap music. 808s influence I feel was really a slow burn overtime. It was a true role player though. Equally as much as man on the moon was.

That’s my thing with the topic is I’m saying influential as so much of a singular point , which is how WLR is unique to me in terms of its competition there to me

was debating which to call out.

IMO Culture hit the mainstream in a much bigger way, but YRN blew it up among actual rap fans and artists. Directly influenced Future’s mixtape run sound too I’d say.

Good ass point icl that s*** had ATL in a chokehold especially. U right about it influencing future too lol

I wanna put barter 6 or ss but lowkey thug didn’t have a single project do that as a single point it was just him in general. Uzi was influenced by thug before barter 6 or ss. 1017 thug, the tour, etc was more of a building overtime, right? Maybe im off idk. Same with future, his influence a lot of it is from his mixtape run before any of the projects people like now. Almighty so yeah true.

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Lowkey you could argue on a couple songs on culture migos tried to have a sound somewhat Travis influenced (some of the bigger, more reverbed epic type s*** in like, T Shirt, it's there but it's lowkey lol)

Agreed with future and thug tbh 💯

Carti and Keef for example in comparison have more projects where you can pinpoint specific influences that artists drew from

Carti gave YN’s tism.

Never connected the Travis influence in T-Shirt tbh - I’m convinced YRN was the real influence now. Classic time in rap in hindsight.

Great point with the Travis thing i never made that connection in my head it’s so obvious now that u mention it lol. True about Sosa and carti. Real

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Hmm i guess you could argue that. Maybe i overreacted in general but id argue that the revival influence of electronic music in hiphop predates carti altough i couldnt pinpoint a specific project

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gonna be real 9/10 wlr-type rappers are straight doodoo

i have a list in the OP rn compiled of answers i agree with. 6 of em. its collective like discussion

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My bad I only saw the first page and re read everything and forgot I even posted that lol like a dumbass

is a wlr type rapper just anyone who makes music adjacent to any of the subgenres in wlr? i mean it dont have to be your type of music thats fine not for everyone of course.

feel like most of the biggest names arent copying wlr at all tho. it just has influence. Ken, Lone, Yeat, Osamason, jerk wave are all their own atp. and if its so commonplace then it shoudl be easy to say other albums like that