like who told you that some cracker is better than drake? some cracker?

we need that nigga that was hating on the beatles in here again yall must of lost ur god damn mind

There’s no key change he doesn’t know what he’s talking about

It depends which Drake and Future you're talking about, how can you incorporate whatever "pop" entails? That "pop" stuff you're suggesting IS hip hop and r&b. The division is faulty to begin with, Drake is very similar to acts like Kanye who use very melodic beats and vocals. It'd be calling poppy trap music like Lil Durk, Lil Baby or Gunna pop before hip hop... that's why people call that stuff pop rap or pop trap, anyway.

As for Future, he's a little different because of his subject matter and general mood. Like, I wouldn't really call HNDRXX or either self-titled "pop" music, but High off Life, I probably would.

Also, it would be like calling House of Balloons "pop" music, otherwise it would just be an erroneous label. Sure, it's melodic, but it's got an underground context (no influence from the industry, shared on blogs) and the beats are underground as well

It's similar to how people create divisions in country music, Luke Bryan, Jason Aldean, Morgan Wallen are more "country pop" while Ryan Adams is more normal, contemporary country

it kinda does sound pop im ngl

that piano + the rhythm sounds like most modern pop prod nowadays, i feel like if that song showed up on a Rihanna album you’d agree

saying this as someone that doesn’t like Future

Niggas can’t even be good stans

Thank you!

If Selfish was Track 10 on any Rihanna album there would be no questions about what genre that song is

Pack this guy back to 2016. It's not even funny, it's stupid and unenjoyable. If I wanted to laugh I'd listen to Weird Al, because at least there's some creativity there. This is just "haha talking about my p****, isn't that funny" and at the same time "guys, I'm actually a serious rapper too! Like I can spit bars!". It's a one trick pony that was dead years ago. Like, dude... Read the room. We don't want this.

The gotcha thing is annoying are you 12? I said I was wrong lmao

You said Future is a pop act because he featured on a Ed Sheeran song you donkey

Yeah what kind of idiot would make a whole thread arguing that HoB should be considered a pop album

You on page 5:

“the whole "beatles suck because theyre white" discourse is the sure sign of any emotionally undeveloped music fan”

You on page 18:

“like who told you that some cracker is better than drake? some cracker?”

Blud Teanna Trumping that cock so hard he’s f***in up his brain patterns 💀💀

I didn’t call him a pop act at all. My argument is that if Drake can be classified as one, then so can Future, because they are extremely similar artists.

Your response was “Drake made HOWGH”, to which I said that Future made Selfish and also has collaborated with way more high profile pop acts than Drake ever has

It depends how you define pop. To me, since it lacks the industry influence and the beats/instrumentals aren't palatable. Those are two things that tie anything considered pop together, whether it's Beach Boys or Kanye West

Not to mention songs like Loft Music are literal verse-less, structureless songs

Echoes and Silence and Thursday are even less pop, I will say though

i never said david bowie sucked, all i did was call him some cracker

You just get on here to start yapping or what? Why argue something you don't believe

What are you talking about?

OP’s point was that if Future can’t be considered a pop act then why is Drake? I was simply expounding upon that idea

Ya overall Hndrxx isn't pop but that and PIE are. I just don't think a song that wasn't submitted to the radio like My Collection with its entrancing beat and subject matter is traditionally "pop"

OP is wrong and you decided to be wrong with him

I read something nasty about him the other day. Imagine fending for that weirdo

PLAYBOY: How much of that are we supposed to believe? Your former publicist, the celebrated ex-groupie Cherry Vanilla, says she’s slept with you and that you’re not gay at all. She says you just let people think you like guys.

BOWIE: Oh, I’d love to meet this impostor she’s talking about. It sure ain’t me. That’s actually a lovely quote. Cherry’s almost as good as I am at using the media.

PLAYBOY: Yet the fact remains that you’ve never been seen with a male lover. Why?

BOWIE: Oh, Lord, I got over being a queen quite a long time ago.
For a while, it was pretty much 50-50; and now the only time it tempts me is when I go over to Japan. There are such beautiful-looking little boys over there. Little boys? Not that little. About 18 or 19. They have a wonderful sort of mentality. They’re all queens until they reach 25, then suddenly they become samurai, get married and have thousands of children. I love it

It’s like a***yzing LMFAO’s music, catchy and fun but nothing deep enough to discuss

Disingenuous and you know it

Be nice

Lmao ok let’s a***yze hotling bling and rich baby daddy

Taking the bait, why a***yze rather than discuss his influence and what the impact he's done on countless of rappers and fans?

Yeah, at the end of the day I think it’s all pretty subjective. Like what defines a palatable beat? Is a song like Wicked Games any less of an R&B song if you replaced all of the indie/underground sounds and replaced them with electronic drums and bright synths? Or is the way he’s singing over the instrumental what make it R&B in the first place?

I really don’t know lol I feel like arguing that industry influence is what makes pop ‘pop’ seems dismissive of indie acts with little backing making pop music; but at the same time I think arguing that any song that follow a verse-chorus-verse-chorus structure is “pop” music seems pretty dismissive of the thousands of R&B artists that have made songs with this kind of structure while also having a defining sound that makes it “R&B”.

Idk man