It’s a woman’s body, their choice.

Not a fan but it’s still a women’s choice.

its a dumbfuck take because you think having a baby will magically work itself out, thats some of the dumbest s*** i have ever read

ansirh.org/sites/default/files/publications/files/turnaway_socioeconomic_outcomes_issue_brief_8-20-2018.pdf

do some reading chief

At least you recognize it for what it is

Not even gonna share my full opinion

Niggas will be to dense to understand that it’s just my OPINION of what I think an ideal society should be

But to put it in simple terms I think it’s wrong and we need to strive to bring the abortion rate as low as possible

Coming from a 3rd world country I do not subscribe to the belief that your monetary circumstances are to be the deciding factor of whether you allow a baby to experience life or not

Oh also, we are literally all clump of cells

Everything alive is a “clump of cells” lmao

I think the “clump of cells” argument is implying it lacks consciousness.

in scenario 1, yes, and that's because his input was (presumably intentionally) nutting in her.

in scenario 2, it's her body her choice no matter what. men are the not the ones carrying, going through labor and risking maternal death. if she doesn't want to do that, then it's up to her. it shouldn't be this hard to understand.

Against but people can do what they want I guess.

real

I don't think that's a good argument. It's going to gain consciousness and only natural causes can dictate otherwise. We also have zero measure on when consciousness begins. Are there studies that suggest that babies only gain consciousness once their body is removed from the womb? How much of the body? Do you have consciousness when your head comes out or do you have to cut the umbilical cord?

The consciousness argument doesn't work for me. Unless there's some science I actually don't know about.

Im in the middle
The mothers life is primary while the fetus is secondary
The child isnt truly alive until 4 months in.
Of course I would want the world to advance to where abortion isnt necessary but thats unlikely

whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-17.aspx

Just a brief breakdown of what a fetus looks like/does 4 months in

Yes!

If Donda listened to Ray West

does the opinion of the baby being aborted matter?

cool

wish I was

Nope. It's ultimately the woman's decision. shrugs tis what it is.

Dont say that miss clam we love you

But for scenario 2 , regardless of whether the father is or isn’t carrying or going into labor, that’s just as much his child as it is hers.

She could not make the child without him. So why doesn’t the father have a say if he wants to keep that child? That is completely unfair to the father that the mother needs zero say from the father if that’s BOTH theirs.

So you’re basically saying f*** what the dad thinks, “I don’t need his approval, if I don’t want the baby then I’m getting rid of it.”

Why doesn’t that make the mother a deadbeat if the dad is willing to be an active parent but the mom says that she doesn’t? You wouldn’t even say what you’re saying if the dad was able to get pregnant and have an abortion

Can’t agree with that

What don't you agree with? That it's ultimately a woman's decision do with HER body as SHE wants?

I don’t subscribe to the idea that the fetus is just an organ of the human body up until the point of birth.