Marvin

2y

Low tier rage bait, I miss the old KTT

Broscodolo

2y

It was the beginning but I think it happened late enough into the process for Pablo to be saved. The mental breakdown later + the process he developed during that album hurt most albums after that but for the most part Pablo was still Ye on his Ye s***.

Oblivion X

2y

Besides the mental health, since Pablo he's always been unfocused, working on multiple endeavors at a time. In one of those leaked docs, from an outside view seeing his day to day schedule was exhausting. He's doing like 100 things at once.

Music not the primary focus anymore, which is why him locking in with Donda achieve pretty good results imo, and a clear sign of inspiration. Although Donda still has its flaws.

Now post DEFCON ye, he lost all major backing and left a giant stain on him as an artist. Ye music is rooted in samples and collaboration and now he can't even clear samples anymore, and a lot of collaborators are more hesitant to work with him.

Then when you add his mental health struggles and his spontaneity. It's no wonder his music declined so much. Even YE sounds more cohesive of an album than V2, which is crazy to think when remembering how hated YE was back then

insertcoolnamehere

2y

Nah.

We dont expect that from anyone else in any genre. Niggas wasnt THAT invested in Stevie albums in the 90s. It didnt matter cause his legacy cemented.

Same with Ye, he already cemented.

This is on the onus of the fact these young niggas are so bereft of any new ideas that we gotta keep depending on old niggas way past they prime to keep coming up with s***.

Like it’s no reason some of the most unique production of today should be coming from a 40 something year old (but that’s where we are)

RT @browser

browser

2y

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While this is true. Very true: its no one under 25 that seems can take the mantle from Kanye Kendrick Cole or even Drake (a new cast of people under 25-30 to drop an event rap album every year with some meat on its bones)

We got Vince Smino JID Cordae but for various reasons they aren’t held to the same levels as the aforementioned names, whole nother thread

I also think that Kanye for some reason stays away from just making music like his first three albums OR even getting into the Alchemist and co. Weird sample bag, etc, could even take that beat selection and aesthetic and apply it to his own brand…its so many rabbitholes i want Ye to go down musically lol

Lol he could be the Khaled of Griselda/Boldy James/Freddie Gibbs/etc type rap and mix it with some of the mainstream stuff, but for some reason he sticks to making songs with rich the kid and carti. Ye shouldnt be the premier guy we look to for rap innovation 20 years after TCD but he def makes some peculiar choices to only make trap adjacent music lol

Pharrell kinda does the same thing. He could be carefully adding to the early 2000’s neptunes sound (especially now that tommy richman and harlow biting it, why cant he give the real thing to someone like cordae and give him a hit lol) but just makes post trap “2010’s pharrell beats” lol

Im rambling but i always wondered why ye and pharrell ran away from the eras that people most associate with them in favor of watered down post trap music versions

AshTheRobot

2y

a lot of ppl say "his moms death changed" him. And I disagree. I think his mom's death is a turning point for him.

But I moreso believe that he was always an a******. His mom being his manager just kept him grounded.

• His ego is big, but unlike all of his his current yes men, he actually respected him mom.
• his mom would have deaded a lot of his crazy talk before he event anywhere public. Like "Slavery is a choice" and all of the Hitler/Nazi talk

Her death cause his career to go into a different trajectory

demo

2y

Kanye like every other goat artist before has a moment of brilliancy and then is washed for the latter part of his career. is what it is but it’s also not specific to him

Bo Ceephus

2y

Not laziness. He's using Ai and not even changing g verses from the leaks. And what changes he did make, ruined songs.

You can be washed, the laziness isn't acceptable.

Millz

2y

he should have retired after donda

Hullstar

2y

It was the very beginning of the end. Ive heard Kanye lost a lot of his confidence during that process from someone that was behind the scenes. When someone would speak up Kanye would scream at them.

We didn’t see it in the public then but I’ve heard around that time is when he became very unpleasant to work with.

insertcoolnamehere

2y

Nah.

We dont expect that from anyone else in any genre. Niggas wasnt THAT invested in Stevie albums in the 90s. It didnt matter cause his legacy cemented.

Same with Ye, he already cemented.

This is on the onus of the fact these young niggas are so bereft of any new ideas that we gotta keep depending on old niggas way past they prime to keep coming up with s***.

Like it’s no reason some of the most unique production of today should be coming from a 40 something year old (but that’s where we are)

RT @browser

Ed_lover

2y

The “culture” exalted Kanye to a level where he could do no wrong. What did they expect?

The moment he started supporting Trump and disrespecting the struggles of our ancestors, it should have been a red flag.

Combine that with traumatic experiences like losing his mother and feeling insecure about Drake's success, and you have the ingredients for an ambitious creative like him to spiral out of control.

splice

2y

haven’t heard anything off vultures 2 yet but it’s funny people just now realizing kanye ass when he’s been dropping bullshit for at least 10 years now

OnceAgain

2y

TLOP, ye, KSG, Donda not bad
V1 isnt bad either, actually a fun listen
And if this was actually finished it wouldnt be that bad either lmao
It's just aight

GodzillaMinusOne

2y

Drake happened.

Drake surpassed him in popularity at some point around 2013-14'ish and he's been trying to copy Drake, musically, ever since. He went from the influencer to the influenced. He used to be so innovative--every Ye album in his prime was different from anything out at the time. Now you can blend pretty much everything, post Yeezus, into a big playlist(barring JIK).

That and a handful of things already posted itt. A perfect storm.

Also he's damn near 50 lol

kusa

2y

what u said is stupid his moms death 100% changed him