Nort

8mo

Whats insane is not having a preference between the two, despite both being horrible.

Big Tobacco

8mo

This thread is a great example of how easily liberals can be led into supporting fascism

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

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The preference is one rightfully going to jail for being complicit in a genocide via funding and supplying weapons to the country enacting the genocide (Biden/Kamala), and the other one also going to jail or dying (Trump).

Nort

8mo

You’re everything wrong with current day leftism

WRU

8mo

youre everything wrong with lack of s***ed in your hoe ass country. shouldve stayed on your mommys butt cheeks

Nort

8mo

But those aren’t the choices here

so now what

WRU

8mo

youre everything wrong with lack of s***ed in your hoe ass country. shouldve stayed on your mommys butt cheeks

Big Tobacco

8mo

This thread is a great example of how easily liberals can be led into supporting fascism

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

I don't know about that

They been tryna get Trump locked up for a minute, and somebody already tried blowing his head off. These two things are still possibilities with fairly high chances of happening as time goes on.

As for Biden and the genocide thing...well that's really just a matter of time because the ICJ and ICC has already discussed investigating the US's involvement in the genocide. They've already been building a solid case against Netanyahu and Israel, gaining more support from the rest of the world so...

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

Wait is this dude not even from the US?

Prosper

8mo

At what point did this thread become political

Scratchin Mamba

8mo

I honestly can't express how much this typa s*** white American "leftists" who say these things disgust me fr

Maybe one day you'll understand how psychopathic this statement sounds to those who have the capacity see Palestinians as full human beings, but you'll probably delude yourself saying you were "on their side" like Americans always do

I'm checking out this convo, sick s***

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

Somebody got upset that I said normalizing "the lesser of two evils" is weird for some reason.

Nort

8mo

that’s awesome and I hope it all happens.

but in the meantime, as a preventative measure, it’s productive to vote against Trump.

I just don’t see how that can be argued.

Pusha P

8mo

Yeah f*** those multi hair colored American leftists!

TrumpVance2024!!!

earthwalka

8mo

genuine question, what would us being organized in the US look like for Palestinians on October 7th?

I support organizing and want to get involved but i guess my question is what does that look like?

Smacked Voodoo

8mo

I just don’t see how that can be argued.

Ion know man to me it's actually pretty easy to understand why, morally, people don't wanna be a part of voting for somebody who has said they support a country continuing a conflict in the Middle East along with enacting a genocide. If both options are for these things...I can also understand why people just don't bother with either of the options

Nort

8mo

Ask them if they prefer two bombs dropped today or one. Because that’s the actual reality of the situation that you want to ignore.

Scratchin Mamba

8mo

It would look like us having strong unions that are willing to do a general strike to stop this genocide.

It would look like us having built the infrastructure where we could more effectively educate people on Palestine.

It would look like us having community defence to protect us from Zionist thugs at protests and encampments.

It would like us having the critical mass of people organized to escalate our struggle further, because there is so much more to do.

Are there any groups you know about in your area?

earthwalka

8mo

I'm sure there are. my girl is a bit more informed than me but we haven't joined anything specific to Palenstine.

Scratchin Mamba

8mo

You're unhinged

Nort

8mo

Those are the choices, as unfortunate as it is. We can hate that this is the case, but it’s so silly to me that you’d ignore that.

william cubit

8mo

a vote is a vote. it's meant to express an individual person's opinion, and it's meant to be exercised in any way they choose. that's the core of democracy.

abstaining is a way of saying "hey ur not representing what I want in this election" and that's a perfectly understandable way to feel.

and what nort is saying makes sense too, I mean abstaining might help to change the democrats stance on s***, but that change would only take effect in the next election cycle, and that's only if the abstainers cost dems enough votes to lose the election. if everything goes as the abstainers want it, we're still getting a more aggressively pro-israel president for the next four years. and there's nothing wrong with being concerned about how that could affect palestine during those four years.

look, let's face it. american democracy is not direct democracy. the amount of say we have in what our country does, especially when it comes to military and diplomatic things, is limited. us regular civilians have a lot of obstacles in our way if we want to stop the genocide in palestine. there is no objectively correct course of action, they've all got their own pros and cons.

it's clear to me that nort, mamba, and all the other politically minded individuals in this thread think palestinian lives are the most important thing at stake here. you are all aligned in your values, it's just that you have different plans of action in mind. and that's ok!! ofc ideally we want a unified front but come on now the way ur going at each others necks over this is ridiculous. and it's even more ridiculous to try to imply that either of you doesn't care about palestine or lacks empathy.