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  • Like, I dont even know how to flow over beats or come up with melodies for hooks

    How do I go about learning those things?

    Hit me with the most basic s***

  • Practice rapping along to your favorite songs and feel how their flow "meshes" with the beat that they're on. Everyone does it differently so try to listen to a variety of rappers and if you do it enough you'll be able to feel confident mimicking it and even dip in your own pockets and stuff like that. To be honest, the bar is very low for rap nowadays so if you wanna be confident and go above that you should listen to other kinds of hip hop too.

    Don't forget you can do a whole lot with a basic flow and quality isn't determined by how complex it is. College Dropout has some pretty standard flows but he made it shine with his delivery and content

    For melody I guess just study a bunch of hits and get singing lessons if your voice aint doing it for you

  • younghotness

    Practice rapping along to your favorite songs and feel how their flow "meshes" with the beat that they're on. Everyone does it differently so try to listen to a variety of rappers and if you do it enough you'll be able to feel confident mimicking it and even dip in your own pockets and stuff like that. To be honest, the bar is very low for rap nowadays so if you wanna be confident and go above that you should listen to other kinds of hip hop too.

    Don't forget you can do a whole lot with a basic flow and quality isn't determined by how complex it is. College Dropout has some pretty standard flows but he made it shine with his delivery and content

    For melody I guess just study a bunch of hits and get singing lessons if your voice aint doing it for you

    I love this advice. Tyvm

    What would you suggest some easy flows to be that I could practice?

    And no, I dont plan on going above the current rap standard.
    I'd be really happy if I could make some basic ass Migos type soundin music.

    Also, wym just study a bunch of hits for their melodies?

    What knowledge is required for me to be able to come up with my own melodies tho?

  • Gettinmoney8

    I love this advice. Tyvm

    What would you suggest some easy flows to be that I could practice?

    And no, I dont plan on going above the current rap standard.
    I'd be really happy if I could make some basic ass Migos type soundin music.

    Also, wym just study a bunch of hits for their melodies?

    What knowledge is required for me to be able to come up with my own melodies tho?

    You're welcome dude.

    Let's have a look at Can't tell me nothing by Kanye

    the words underlined in red are at the end of their respected line which has the purpose of being set up to rhyme with the end of the next line and so on. This is really standard type of stuff.

    the words underlined in blue are what they call "internal rhyming" and it spices the verse up a bit. It's something I never noticed until someone pointed it out to me but it's done in rap a lot. sometimes rappers rhyme the standard end of line rhyme in the middle of the next line before it hits at the end of the line, and sometimes it's broken up in pieces. For example: To whom much is given much is TESTED, get ARRESTED, GUESS until he GET (didn't highlight in pic oops) the MESSAGE.

    See how GUESS and GET rhyme with the beginning of TESTED? (TEST) The word was broken down and it spiced it up a bit.

    Another type of internal rhyme happening in the verse: Told god i'd be BACK in a second, man it's so hard not to ACT wreckless.

    Kanye didn't use the end of line rhymes (second, wreckless) for the internal rhyme, instead this time he used some other words internally which also works to create a bit of variety.

    If this internally rhyming part seems a little complex don't stress and just focus on the end of line rhymes. I think that would be a good song to start with! All of this stuff comes natural over time trust me.

    Also, CAME FROM doesn't rhyme with CHANGED HIM directly, but the first words do. (CAME, CHANGED). FROM and HIM aren't jarring to hear after that because he rhymed those 2 words just before, and his accents helps it out a little too

    I've done a bit of research on melody and it seems to me that there is no mathematical strategy for something that is great. pop stars get 20 writers in booths shooting for something that is infectious. I think you should just listen to catchy ass stuff and try and sing along with it, recognize note changes and things like that. I think I read somewhere that hit producer/writer Max Martin would just constantly play #1s of every era and feel out what made them different from other songs. There's something magical about melody but it is learnable over time through trial and error I think definitely. Music is a language and the more you listen the more you'll get it. But also creating your own stuff at the same time is essential to progressing as well

  • Also, melody is just the particular arrangement of the few musical notes that we have. the note C done 10 times over might sound bland, but if it goes from a C, to a D, then an E, back to a C, it will be spicier and could actually sound good depending on the beat you're going over. Breaking it down like this sounds complicated but if you listen to hits you will notice the notes variate in a certain pattern, twist and turn in their own unique way. Hope this all makes sense

  • chord progressions, keys/scales, consonance and dissonance, rhythm eg downbeats and upbeats, the absolute basics lmao

  • nocomment

    chord progressions, keys/scales, consonance and dissonance, rhythm eg downbeats and upbeats, the absolute basics lmao

    what u need to know chord progressions for if you want to record your vocals

  • Creasy

    what u need to know chord progressions for if you want to record your vocals

    why shouldnt you its not exactly rocket surgery.

    knowing how the progressions work helps you look at the bigger picture outside of your melodies

  • nocomment

    why shouldnt you its not exactly rocket surgery.

    knowing how the progressions work helps you look at the bigger picture outside of your melodies

    the thread title is saying what "should" I know thats why I asked

  • nocomment

    chord progressions, keys/scales, consonance and dissonance, rhythm eg downbeats and upbeats, the absolute basics lmao

    yeah I was gonna suggest basic music theory but I don't think it's necessary. When people are creating melodies with humming they're only going off a feeling, theory isn't in their mind at all. Pharrell doesn't know s*** about theory but he's created some amazing music and melodies. Of course, it wont hurt to have theory in your arsenal, and you prolly should get all the tools in your toolbox you can in the field you wanna delve into.

  • younghotness

    yeah I was gonna suggest basic music theory but I don't think it's necessary. When people are creating melodies with humming they're only going off a feeling, theory isn't in their mind at all. Pharrell doesn't know s*** about theory but he's created some amazing music and melodies. Of course, it wont hurt to have theory in your arsenal, and you prolly should get all the tools in your toolbox you can in the field you wanna delve into.

    idk i find it pretty bullshit that pharell doesnt know theory. After being successful for that long youre gonna eventually know it, but not in the same way that anyone else pictures it in their head if you understand what i mean.

    I maintain that for rapping you NEED to know rhythm properly. Otherwise youre going to s*** so so so bad

  • nocomment

    idk i find it pretty bullshit that pharell doesnt know theory. After being successful for that long youre gonna eventually know it, but not in the same way that anyone else pictures it in their head if you understand what i mean.

    I maintain that for rapping you NEED to know rhythm properly. Otherwise youre going to s*** so so so bad

    can confirm that Pharell knows theory. if you've seen the Black Album Doc his whole concept is based on major 7th chords.

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  • younghotness

    Practice rapping along to your favorite songs and feel how their flow "meshes" with the beat that they're on. Everyone does it differently so try to listen to a variety of rappers and if you do it enough you'll be able to feel confident mimicking it and even dip in your own pockets and stuff like that. To be honest, the bar is very low for rap nowadays so if you wanna be confident and go above that you should listen to other kinds of hip hop too.

    Don't forget you can do a whole lot with a basic flow and quality isn't determined by how complex it is. College Dropout has some pretty standard flows but he made it shine with his delivery and content

    For melody I guess just study a bunch of hits and get singing lessons if your voice aint doing it for you

    these are honestly gems.

  • younghotness

    You're welcome dude.

    Let's have a look at Can't tell me nothing by Kanye

    the words underlined in red are at the end of their respected line which has the purpose of being set up to rhyme with the end of the next line and so on. This is really standard type of stuff.

    the words underlined in blue are what they call "internal rhyming" and it spices the verse up a bit. It's something I never noticed until someone pointed it out to me but it's done in rap a lot. sometimes rappers rhyme the standard end of line rhyme in the middle of the next line before it hits at the end of the line, and sometimes it's broken up in pieces. For example: To whom much is given much is TESTED, get ARRESTED, GUESS until he GET (didn't highlight in pic oops) the MESSAGE.

    See how GUESS and GET rhyme with the beginning of TESTED? (TEST) The word was broken down and it spiced it up a bit.

    Another type of internal rhyme happening in the verse: Told god i'd be BACK in a second, man it's so hard not to ACT wreckless.

    Kanye didn't use the end of line rhymes (second, wreckless) for the internal rhyme, instead this time he used some other words internally which also works to create a bit of variety.

    If this internally rhyming part seems a little complex don't stress and just focus on the end of line rhymes. I think that would be a good song to start with! All of this stuff comes natural over time trust me.

    Also, CAME FROM doesn't rhyme with CHANGED HIM directly, but the first words do. (CAME, CHANGED). FROM and HIM aren't jarring to hear after that because he rhymed those 2 words just before, and his accents helps it out a little too

    I've done a bit of research on melody and it seems to me that there is no mathematical strategy for something that is great. pop stars get 20 writers in booths shooting for something that is infectious. I think you should just listen to catchy ass stuff and try and sing along with it, recognize note changes and things like that. I think I read somewhere that hit producer/writer Max Martin would just constantly play #1s of every era and feel out what made them different from other songs. There's something magical about melody but it is learnable over time through trial and error I think definitely. Music is a language and the more you listen the more you'll get it. But also creating your own stuff at the same time is essential to progressing as well

    Awesome advice but I honestly dont think I wanna dive that deep into it, at least as far as lyricism goes

    The hiphop scene in my country is dead and if i were just able to put out 2-3 basic ass migos soundin songs with visuals I'd most likely blow up. I kid you not.
    My homies started rappin too and they all on their way to the top no cap.

    We already got to meet and hang with the biggest artists in the whole region

  • nocomment

    idk i find it pretty bullshit that pharell doesnt know theory. After being successful for that long youre gonna eventually know it, but not in the same way that anyone else pictures it in their head if you understand what i mean.

    I maintain that for rapping you NEED to know rhythm properly. Otherwise youre going to s*** so so so bad

    How do I learn rhythm properly ???

  • younghotness

    Also, melody is just the particular arrangement of the few musical notes that we have. the note C done 10 times over might sound bland, but if it goes from a C, to a D, then an E, back to a C, it will be spicier and could actually sound good depending on the beat you're going over. Breaking it down like this sounds complicated but if you listen to hits you will notice the notes variate in a certain pattern, twist and turn in their own unique way. Hope this all makes sense

    Bruh ion een kno what notes are or what they do

  • younghotness

    Practice rapping along to your favorite songs and feel how their flow "meshes" with the beat that they're on. Everyone does it differently so try to listen to a variety of rappers and if you do it enough you'll be able to feel confident mimicking it and even dip in your own pockets and stuff like that. To be honest, the bar is very low for rap nowadays so if you wanna be confident and go above that you should listen to other kinds of hip hop too.

    Don't forget you can do a whole lot with a basic flow and quality isn't determined by how complex it is. College Dropout has some pretty standard flows but he made it shine with his delivery and content

    For melody I guess just study a bunch of hits and get singing lessons if your voice aint doing it for you

    How do I even know how to mesh my words with the beat when I try it myself?

    Coz I be thinkin it sounds OK but my girl be like naaaah u off-beat

    Like, what parts of the instrumental am I supposed to focus on during verses and what parts during the hook?

    And how do I go about structuring these songs? I dont know how to count bars so how do I, like, make sure the verses are structured the same?

  • Gettinmoney8

    How do I learn rhythm properly ???

    Maybe look at drumming tutorials for beginners? That was how i started to learn

  • nocomment

    Maybe look at drumming tutorials for beginners? That was how i started to learn

    What drumming got to do with rapping tho?

    Sry I just need more elaborate info since ion kno nothin

  • Gettinmoney8

    What drumming got to do with rapping tho?

    Sry I just need more elaborate info since ion kno nothin

    Well you have to rap on beat. And generally the beat comes from the drums lol

  • nocomment

    Well you have to rap on beat. And generally the beat comes from the drums lol

    So I just need to make sure my voice/vocals/words clash with the drums?

  • Gettinmoney8

    So I just need to make sure my voice/vocals/words clash with the drums?

    Nah bro generally youre meant to emphasise on the kicks and snares. Listen to a slow rap track and try and focus on their rapping and the drums and how they work together for rhythm. Rapping on beat means that your vocals/lyrics “punch” on the same time as the drums

  • nocomment

    Nah bro generally youre meant to emphasise on the kicks and snares. Listen to a slow rap track and try and focus on their rapping and the drums and how they work together for rhythm. Rapping on beat means that your vocals/lyrics “punch” on the same time as the drums

    So my vocals have to punch on the same time as the drums and yet I still rap over the kicks and snares?

  • Gettinmoney8

    So my vocals have to punch on the same time as the drums and yet I still rap over the kicks and snares?

    Dont quite understand what youre asking tbh

  • nocomment

    Dont quite understand what youre asking tbh

    I have to rap over the drums, kicks and snares and make sure my "punch" /emphasizing lands on the drums?

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