Unforgivable

2y

Drake when its all said and done

ClanWay

2y

It was one of the most impactful rap albums ever. Sold 1M+ in the first week

Then did it again with C4

Just off of that plus drought 3 he’s a legend. And I think C3 is pretty bad

narcos_

2y

do sales matter though to become a legend? shouldn't it be more about creative and raw he was?

ClanWay

2y

Him and biggie

aLIEN

2y

stfu

narcos_

2y

ok then. he doesn't really have an album that is super crazy. the Carter 3 is subpar

narcos_

2y

I think lil wayne and kendrick well more kendrick than lil wayne. kendrick hasn't done anything that special.

ClanWay

2y

Or else what

ClanWay

2y

Sales absolutely do matter when talking about legends??

cold mountain

2y

tha carter iii isn't subpar at all, hipster.

Unforgivable

2y

Drake when its all said and done

narcos_

2y

nice insult

narcos_

2y

but rap is not about that at all. I mean yeah it is amazing you know but to me I guess it isn't what is pushing the culture forward you know not culture but like rap in general.

cold mountain

2y

tha carter iii along with 808s and heartbreak ushered in an entirely new generation... like it quite literally pushed rap or the """""culture"""" forward

you're just being contrarian because you personally don't like his music which is fine, but at least try to be objective

narcos_

2y

how did the Carter 3 push culture

cold mountain

2y

wayne's image at the time with his tattoos, double cup, leaned out voice + unconventional flows and in general wordplay, is something that rappers today literally copy and interpolate into their own music. look at Uzi and Carti for the most obvious of examples (they aren't 1 to 1 clones or copies, but Wayne influenced them stemming from that era is what im trying to say)

all, if not most, of wayne's influence stems from his Tha Carter III era. around that time he started experimenting with autotune that pretty much no one else was doing on songs such as Me And My Drank (which i would argue was probably one of the earliest forms of emo soundcloud rap that would become prominent around 2014)

Lollipop within itself was very ahead of its time with the cloudy synth beat and overall laid back nature of the beat, i'd honestly argue that it was prototypical cloud rap in a sense.

https://consequence.net/2018/04/how-lil-waynes-tha-carter-iii-resurrected-hip-hop/

"Wayne himself had experimented with the effect on his earlier mixtapes. “Lollipop” was the inauguration of a sound that would get paradoxically more lucrative as it sunk to emotional depths."

(let me also say, i am not saying that wayne invented cloud rap or emo rap, but he definitely at the very least aided in it's development and helped popularize it, same with lean)

hell, kendrick even remixed the entire album itself as a sort of homage to the dude

people paid homage to it again on it's tenth anniversary as well iirc

https://newsroom.spotify.com/2018-06-08/the-legacy-of-tha-carter-iii-10-years-later/

that isn't even really getting into the bulk of the C3 sessions and the era itself, in rough summation lots of the songs on there were ahead of their time, and wayne's image around C3 era was influential to lots of rap artists to this day, influence is an indisputable marker of greatness across all genres, and wayne is among most of the influential of them all by far, if you don't like the album or his music cool, but he's definitely a legend whether you like it or not.

narcos_

2y

I f*** with your reply man. if I'm wrong then you know I accept it.

cold mountain

2y

'preciate it all good forgive me for my insult earlier, im super passionate abt this s*** and get ahead of myself