Jul 5, 2020This is prominent especially with these black socialists or even black communist groups.
They claim that capitalism is a big reason racism exist (perhaps this is true)
But these non capitalist societies that’s been through history have been just as if not more racist than these capitalist countries (China, Russia, etc)
Why do people think that racism is a political issue at nature? People use politics to force it but it’s not political in nature.
Let’s discuss. I’m here to learn
Jul 5, 2020·1 replyThere happened something in the past that made one group not have any wealth. And in capitalism wealth creates wealth. (hint: it starts with s)
Jul 5, 2020·1 replyYou could dismantle white supremacy as a systemic issue certainly, under a socialist system. Interpersonal is different
Jul 6, 2020Because of money
- Jul 6, 2020·1 reply
I think the argument is that the current system was built on white male supremacy and without a ground up rebuild it will forever have those systems in place
Racism as an interpersonal thing is different
It’s already significantly better but it takes generations of education and parents teaching kids to be anti racist before we have a non racist society in that sense - OPJul 6, 2020·1 replySynopsis
You could dismantle white supremacy as a systemic issue certainly, under a socialist system. Interpersonal is different
But even Fidel (rest his soul) struggled with race issues, putting race issues to the back burner to other issues. It’s not something that since now we are socialist, racism can be solved
- OPJul 6, 2020safe
I think the argument is that the current system was built on white male supremacy and without a ground up rebuild it will forever have those systems in place
Racism as an interpersonal thing is different
It’s already significantly better but it takes generations of education and parents teaching kids to be anti racist before we have a non racist society in that senseTrue
- Jul 6, 2020·1 replysoccerfanj
But even Fidel (rest his soul) struggled with race issues, putting race issues to the back burner to other issues. It’s not something that since now we are socialist, racism can be solved
well its a process not something that just happens day one. but you can begin to dismantle it whereas under capitalism you can't
Jul 6, 2020·edited·2 repliesCapitalism keeps the companies founded on racism, segregation and slavery in power.
Capitalism keeps many minority and poor communities stuck in place whilst growing white and rich communities.
Capitalism keeps the white elitist power structure together.
Capitalism keeps the system we have in place by keeping the same few rich families in power.
Tearing down the walls capitalism builds between us would lead to true equality
It doesn’t matter how many BLM twitter posts Walmart and Amazon make Jeff Bezos and the Waltons will still get paid more in a few days than 99% of us will see in a lifetime.
It doesn’t matter how many Democrats pretend to be down with the movement if they’re making sure to keep their wealthy donor friends happy behind closed doors.
Jul 6, 2020·edited·2 repliesMy thesis on this is tht In the US you have three forms of racism/oppression
Economic, Institutional and Individualistic.
On certain metrics the US is better than europe or western countries. (Individualistic front is generally better than europe for example) but in the economic and certain institutional fronts is just abysmal. The corporate, media and academic world seem to put a premium on black faces so i guess Thats progress i guess but other institutions like the incarceral and criminal justice system...well.
Black progressives and socialists believe policies can change the first two and I tend to agree. The first two is also tend to have the most lethal effects on black people. Now more black centrist types will say well white supremacist culture etc etc, and yes that’s true but that cant be policy’d out. We see proof that younger generations are only getting more tolerant and cognizant and we can only continue elevating our education and discuss to a level to get rid of that. It might sound weird saying it but on that last part the US does a better job than all other western countries despite what you might think. Race discussion in most other countries are virtually extinct
- Jul 6, 2020Cudderwalks
Capitalism keeps the companies founded on racism, segregation and slavery in power.
Capitalism keeps many minority and poor communities stuck in place whilst growing white and rich communities.
Capitalism keeps the white elitist power structure together.
Capitalism keeps the system we have in place by keeping the same few rich families in power.
Tearing down the walls capitalism builds between us would lead to true equality
It doesn’t matter how many BLM twitter posts Walmart and Amazon make Jeff Bezos and the Waltons will still get paid more in a few days than 99% of us will see in a lifetime.
It doesn’t matter how many Democrats pretend to be down with the movement if they’re making sure to keep their wealthy donor friends happy behind closed doors.
Powerful
- Jul 6, 2020
people will always try to find any way they can to push their agendas and get what they want
if the hot topic is racism and inequality then people are gonna find a way to twist the discussion into something that benefits them
Jul 6, 2020Personally I feel that we need to improve our economic standing and thrive rather than support other political ideologies like socialism. But I'm learning more about it in some ways it can help but its debatable
Jul 6, 2020Because they understand the material conditions through which racism manifests.
- Jul 6, 2020·1 replyOlivear
My thesis on this is tht In the US you have three forms of racism/oppression
Economic, Institutional and Individualistic.
On certain metrics the US is better than europe or western countries. (Individualistic front is generally better than europe for example) but in the economic and certain institutional fronts is just abysmal. The corporate, media and academic world seem to put a premium on black faces so i guess Thats progress i guess but other institutions like the incarceral and criminal justice system...well.
Black progressives and socialists believe policies can change the first two and I tend to agree. The first two is also tend to have the most lethal effects on black people. Now more black centrist types will say well white supremacist culture etc etc, and yes that’s true but that cant be policy’d out. We see proof that younger generations are only getting more tolerant and cognizant and we can only continue elevating our education and discuss to a level to get rid of that. It might sound weird saying it but on that last part the US does a better job than all other western countries despite what you might think. Race discussion in most other countries are virtually extinct
Can you explain more about the Individualistic aspects?
- OPJul 6, 2020Cudderwalks
Capitalism keeps the companies founded on racism, segregation and slavery in power.
Capitalism keeps many minority and poor communities stuck in place whilst growing white and rich communities.
Capitalism keeps the white elitist power structure together.
Capitalism keeps the system we have in place by keeping the same few rich families in power.
Tearing down the walls capitalism builds between us would lead to true equality
It doesn’t matter how many BLM twitter posts Walmart and Amazon make Jeff Bezos and the Waltons will still get paid more in a few days than 99% of us will see in a lifetime.
It doesn’t matter how many Democrats pretend to be down with the movement if they’re making sure to keep their wealthy donor friends happy behind closed doors.
Facts
- OPJul 6, 2020Olivear
My thesis on this is tht In the US you have three forms of racism/oppression
Economic, Institutional and Individualistic.
On certain metrics the US is better than europe or western countries. (Individualistic front is generally better than europe for example) but in the economic and certain institutional fronts is just abysmal. The corporate, media and academic world seem to put a premium on black faces so i guess Thats progress i guess but other institutions like the incarceral and criminal justice system...well.
Black progressives and socialists believe policies can change the first two and I tend to agree. The first two is also tend to have the most lethal effects on black people. Now more black centrist types will say well white supremacist culture etc etc, and yes that’s true but that cant be policy’d out. We see proof that younger generations are only getting more tolerant and cognizant and we can only continue elevating our education and discuss to a level to get rid of that. It might sound weird saying it but on that last part the US does a better job than all other western countries despite what you might think. Race discussion in most other countries are virtually extinct
I agree fully, this is why even tho America racism has more bite than Europe man countries, we tend to have more opportunities. It’s always strange think about it
Jul 6, 2020loveuThere happened something in the past that made one group not have any wealth. And in capitalism wealth creates wealth. (hint: it starts with s)
There were still racists in yugoslavia fam
- Jul 6, 2020Swayzomad
Can you explain more about the Individualistic aspects?
Individual racism is microagression, ignorant commments etc the stereotypical stuff youll face from the hands of another person
- Jul 6, 2020
because they believe in lala land
- Jul 6, 2020·1 replySynopsis
well its a process not something that just happens day one. but you can begin to dismantle it whereas under capitalism you can't
Why cant you dismantle white supremacy under capitalism?
- Jul 6, 2020KOLLAPS
Why cant you dismantle white supremacy under capitalism?
Because redistributive policies dont and cannot exist