"it’s because their flows are wack & their beat selection is absolute garbage 99% of the time"

how many threads have been made this year about ppl complaining about the production in mainstream hip hop again?

not in the 90s it was and you know that lol.

Man you know how many "scaring the hoes" ass niggas would call s*** like Brenda's Got a Baby or Doo Wop preachy if it came out today?

I like the houston sound, listened to some of this early this morning.

But your original point is also fair. It's a lot of hypocrites that posture like they're better than niggas that can come from that scene (e.g. Talib Kweli) but also, as we seen yesterday people feel the same way about street rappers.

There've been discussions on twitter about why a whole lot of the older street rappers send their own kids to college but push "destructive" subject matter towards other black children? Hell even the 21 Savage s*** the other day, people called him a hypocrite too lol.

I wish saying “scaring the hoes” would go tf away

how many of them were made by someone other than DavidP?

Kee made a great thread and he a producer himself lol

me too bro, me too. Not only is it sexist af but it also shows how niggas really just be d***riding lol.

That’s the general appeal of it, for many people. Doesn’t mean specifically you have to think the same way. Art is subjective

looking at some of these replies like

but also, a good majority of this thread is proving 21 Savage's point he was making on IG Live right

i think you're overcomplicating it

i think most people who like trap for instance dont like it mainly cus of the themes. Most people just like it cus they think it sounds good

hip hop is more than just mainstream rap, i’m not gonna argue against the point that mainstream rap beats sound similar to each other a lot of the time

also, ||this is ktt2, i was using by
hyperbole to make my point||

obviously, that “99% of the time” thing is bullshit

it really comes down to individual preference, and for me personally, the beats/flows/melodies that most conscious rappers use in general are far less interesting than the flows/melodies southern rappers use and beats from west coast producers or beats from southern producers, or more recently, beats from ny drill producers

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wtf why isn’t it spoilering

Nigga don't uplift me. Wit rap tho it ain too often that somebody can present a nuanced conscious point and it not come off preachy. If i wanted a sermon from my music id go to church. If your going to teach and relate with your music you need to do it well, actually have sumn to say. Plenty of albums that do that, usually ends up being the ones the majority and like too much at first.

Conscious rap itself isn’t the issue. It’s the people trying to do it. They aren’t doing anything artiscally unique or innovative in it. And with the popularity of social media and just media in general we sorta don’t need it as much being that all the problems and awareness of issues is thrown in our face. So if you gon do that style of rap you lietrally have to make it more interesting than the previous goats of the sub genre

idk man

its just the idea of consciousness and improving your situations and surrounding is corny especially after people expecting a revolution through art or music for i don't even know how long like since the 1950's at least, and movements not coming into fruition or being torn apart.

might as well just make music reflective on an individuals life than reflective on a problem or a situation

consciousness blew a 3-1 lead on the industry.

nothing new up under the sun

what else can you do concious music has been around way longer than just rap.

Even if it’s not about the lyrics but the fact that it’s musically compelling in a nonverbal way, why is it that the themes and the sonics go hand in hand so often? There’s some sort of relationship between the two, even if it’s hard to sum up in a sentence

think most people see music as escapism and don't want to be intellectually challenged

also reminds me of this scene

only way most people gonna listen to conscious rap is if the music is good enough

and once again I ask for the umpteenth time what are the non-conscious rappers doing that are unique?

People already getting tired of NY drill style of sampling lol.

Perfect scene to reference because it does help show how eternal this same argument is

"the beats/flows/melodies that most conscious rappers use in general are far less interesting than the flows/melodies southern rappers use and beats from west coast producers or beats from southern producers"

but there are conscious southern rappers tho that use those same type of beats tho....

but what do the people actually like?

Niggas already said conscious rappers come off corny rapping on popping beats.

So what them niggas supposed to do?

across all media forms too, amazing art house films flop while superhero movies sell like crazy, cheap pulpy romance novels do numbers while more challenging novels get overlooked

end of the day the market decides, and most people are looking for entertainment, not something that makes them think

People like to fit in and to not have to change or to feel like someone is “shaming” them

So of course music that doesn’t ask anything of them, and that shows that being apathetic is what all the cool kids are already doing anyway, is going to be “less tryhard and corny”

The lyrics quite literally “don’t matter;” why would they when nothing does?

i think it's even more prominent today in general, because literally just about every expressive medium nowadays has been aestheticized and neutered from its original context, people are perfectly content with indulging in s*** without understanding the finer details and nuances of whatever they're consuming - the world has gotten a lot faster

i always trot out the New Age spirituality of today for this argument, people will rock evil eyes, crystals, beads, espouse whitewashed Eastern philosophies and go on and on about energy vibes blah blah etc. without any actual religious background nor reading from the people who developed these schools of thought(s)

it's a whole lot of "sounds cool" "looks cool" "sounds nice" "looks nice" and anything further than that you're a nerd this is where we get the whole GOAT v Mid posts on this site whenever s*** drops, it's cool to not care that much about whatever you're consuming