They relate to living off of their moms just like him
And you live according to the will of your employer lmao
Same s***
Additionally, the way Marx set out to define socialism was along scientific lines, unlike his predecessors. He did this through a rigorous a***ysis of the capitalist mode of production. Upon which, he pointed out its unsustainable contradictions, and subsequently pointed out how socialism should be applied to eliminate these unsustainable contradictions
He essentially gave a lot more credibility to socialism than many non-Marxists socialists who inhabit the same ideological fantasy and contradiction that capitalists, monarchists, and other previous ideologies inhabited
Anyone who idolizes Marx is a cornball imo his personal life isn't important it's his teachings and his frameworks that are important
"Labor in a white skin cannot emancipate itself where it is branded in a black skin"
I haven't done the real rigorous reading yet but from what I've gathered Hegel seems to offer a must stronger framework than Marx
It depends what you are trying to do... Marx is a materialist whose insights are more easily applied in a material world but Hegel made philosphically stronger and imo more interesting claims. Marx was directly inspired by Hegel though
Socials is just code for broke and lazy
You, by the definition of capitalism, are broke
yeah that miight be just true.
Anyways why tf your profile got Attack on Titan gayporn on it?
dont kink shame or be homophobic
Either way there are non-Marxist socialisms
And these strains are better
Lemonade oceans etc
Why would non-Marxist socialist thought be better than Marx though
I don't doubt that dudes like Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin were wild racist. Good thing communism does not require one to be a racist.
I don't doubt that dudes like Karl Marx or Vladimir Lenin were wild racist. Good thing communism does not require one to be a racist.
Lenin wasn’t a racist
Marx was pretty edgy though
but how much can u revise before your no longer a communist? and there’s been ”updates” to what marx said like Lenin and Mao, and of course others.
Like for example Marx take on that industrial world would have the revolution first has aged terribly and no one seriously takes it up.
The only way to find what is still relevant is to put into practice and see how it works out. Orthodox Marxist nowadays i find are very rare and mainly just in academics.
Marx didnt believe this later in his life and studied Russia and China more (the two places that later on turned out to have major socialist revolutions) to be fair
great ideas but not in reality.
His criticisms of capitalism and predictions regarding the change the system would undergo as time went on only proved his writings more truthful
Also his writings have lead to the only truly successful socialist revolutions of our time
Like yeah he might've laid down the theory for socialism but I swear to god some of these mfs are so cringe.
They'll be like "Marx didn't approve of "insert anything that slightly deviates from their ideology" so it must be false!
Like bruh this dude was probably racist if we being real he's not a f***ing god lol
It might be newbies trying to overcompensate their new-found knowledge. I don't see this too much tbh. And when we talk about Marx we talk about his work not his personal life. It could have been called "scientific socialism" instead of Marxism
Lenin wasn’t a racist
Marx was pretty edgy though
Regardless these are dudes from the late 1800s to early 1920s when racism was just the norm. Whether they were racist or not however doesn't really matter as race is irrelevant to the idea of communism. The idea of race and racism pretty much counters the goal(s) of communism. Which is why it is something that has been adopted by many races of people.
great ideas but not in reality.
meanwhile capitalism is a terrible idea that works even worse in reality
Regardless these are dudes from the late 1800s to early 1920s when racism was just the norm. Whether they were racist or not however doesn't really matter as race is irrelevant to the idea of communism. The idea of race and racism pretty much counters the goal(s) of communism. Which is why it is something that has been adopted by many races of people.
Precisely
meanwhile capitalism is a terrible idea that works even worse in reality
It’s funny because people spend entire years earning economics degrees learning “ideal” system mechanics under capitalism when the system never works anywhere near ideally because of how easily it is taken advantage of
The Hegelian ideal is just that. An ideal. It does nothing to consider what a concept or things’s actual characteristics are but rather what it intends to be. And that is truly detached from the material world where our abstract applications of ideas are nothing more than abstract ideas.
Yeah I feel like a lot of socialists are hung up on the original framework he provided without realizing we are in a different time and that revisionism is kind of neccesary
A lot of the things have not radically changed since Marx's a***ysis of capitalism. The core mechanics stayed the same since his days. Since he lived in Germany in a time when it started to industrialize, he could witness the (after-effects of the) transition from late-stage feudalism towards capitalism, and the new ideas and worldviews that came along with this emerging capitalist system.
There are a few "issues", let me name 10 off the top of my head:
1. First of all, the gold standard doesn't exist anymore. Marx couldn't have predicted this of course. We have fiat money now, which functions differently. This leads to new questions.
2. Some guys say "Automation makes Marx irrelevant" but it's actually one of the core aspects of Marxist a***ysis. I mean this makes sense because the steam machine, which kickstarted capitalism, was such a major automation that allowed people to work less for more labor-power. Automation didn't just start with modern robots. Even people using oxen to plow fields is a form of automation that saves labor.
3. There are of course some aspects that Marx could not have predicted, like IMO modern-mass media is more massive than people in his time could have expected so that propaganda plays a crazier role than ever before in human history.
4. Regarding climate change - Marx wrote about environment versus capitalism as well, so I don't think there is a major deviation here.
5. Imperialism - Marx didn't study this topic in-depth so later thinkers had to fill it out.
6. It is quite controversial who Marx wanted "(exchange) value" and "market price" to relate. This is called the transformation problem. He died before finishing on this work. There is massive rabbit hole of mostly academics discussing what Marx exactly meant with value.
7. There is a bit of a controversy about how, when the rate of profit falls, this either effects an entire industry (e.g.: semiconductor factories).
8. Marx had a few wrong ideas about non-European history that he and Engels discarded towards the end of their career and admitted that they were wrong on, like the "Asiatic mode of production".
9. There is some controversy over whether the "Young Marx" and the "Old Marx" had the same views, or if Marx changed his views radically as he got older, or if his views from his younger days informed his later views. There is also controversy to how Marx used Hegel in his work, and if understanding Hegel is really so important to understand Marx.
10. The major question of course is strategy: How to implement socialism? This is, despite what some people think, not a major concern of Marx. While Marx did engage himself politically as well, he doesn't really write about strategy. This is where the biggest deviations come from. Many people, including non-communists, could read Marx's a***ysis of capitalism and agree with it. The next question is: Ok, what now? What to do with this new information? And this is where the great debate starts. There is no real right or wrong here, it depends on your ideology.
Regardless these are dudes from the late 1800s to early 1920s when racism was just the norm. Whether they were racist or not however doesn't really matter as race is irrelevant to the idea of communism. The idea of race and racism pretty much counters the goal(s) of communism. Which is why it is something that has been adopted by many races of people.
As Kwame Ture said, Newton discovering the laws of gravity doesn't make physics a white thing, he just happened to learn about it. Same for Marx and capitalism, he just happened to be in the right spot in the right part of the world to learn about it up-close. If capitalism had first developed in China we would be talking about a Chinese guy here.
There's a whole entire history of marxists who built on and critiqued Marx's original works lol what are you talking about