ok just don't accuse me of being pseudo intellectual or reactionary when im linking studies and citing bills and all you can respond is "jump in a fire"

Oh I’d never accuse someone saying the s*** you’re saying as a pseudo intellectual because that would imply I think you’re trying to come off as intelligent, I just think you’re terrified of Queer people

Dam some of y’all stupid as hell

ok now tell me what i said that indicated i was afraid of queer people

im bisexual btw

this paper isn't comparing HRT vs placebo in a controlled study,

it's comparing mental health outcomes on HRT amongst a swathe of studies

vs mental health outcomes on placebo amongst a swathe of different studies

sure placebo LOOKS better, but one of the big big big confounding factors is that trans people (the population for the HRT studies) are going to be, on average, exposed to hostility based on their core identity than the people in the placebo studies they pulled. higher risk of interpersonal outside discrimination and being less able to "conceal" trans identity thru the physical effects of HRT. this isn't a 1:1 comparison at all

even if this paper was in support of my position i'd make the same claim, this isn't really good science

Fine

*terrified of Trans people

And no, I’m not going to play that game with you lol. Everything you’re posting is indicative of what I’m saying.

slight criticism = terrified

no substantive argument, can't even quote to back up your claim. just insults, emotion, and reaction

you people are literally religious nuts

Breaking news: people not for anti-Trans legislation is a new religion

also deadpegasus is a f***ing idiot and makes people arguing for trans rights look like f***ing clowns

regardless of if science is good or bad, engage with it if someone links it to you

frfr

fair enough i realize this is a collection of studies but there hasn't been any single controlled study of hrt vs placebo (at least none i've been able to find) so this is the best data we have to go off atm

You already proved you have no clue what you're talking about

this is just somebody writing their opinion based on existing research, this doesn't really mean anything. although i agree there needs to be much more research before we say that gender-affirming care is 100% the solution. data points towards it being effective though

repeat it a 5th time please

parrot ass nigga

i didn't say it was a study, just that it was a peer reviewed publication expressing concern

came for the krishna bound post & i wasnt disappointed

You guys needs to go way beyond social media, this or no progress at all

no this isn't really even good data that we're looking at here (in my opinion) unless i'm misunderstanding something? like this is comparing two different fundamentally different situations and trying to generalize to one of the most specific subsets of the U.S. current demographics

first, trans people are the entirety of the population in the HRT studies. this already selects for a very very narrow subset of the population that is probably more predisposed towards mental disorders such as depression, anxiety, etc because of their situation in society than whatever groups are being pulled for placebo data.
the population in the placebo/antidepressant studies are going to be (i assume) randomly sampled but still selecting for people that have mental disorders. this is fine, but the likelihood of anyone in there being trans is like... less than 2%? it just logically doesn't follow as a strong generalization to make other then the fact that both groups "feel depressed"...

it may be the case that outcomes from HRT are offset by necessary physical changes that draw more attention to one's trans identity that then draws in more public ire resulting in more depressive feelings (but a better internal perception). that's just one fairly reasonable major confound i can think of right now

think about it this way:

you have two kids in school, both sad about being bullied

Kid A is being bullied and has no friends
Kid B is being bullied and has friends

A teacher intervenes such that Kid A and Kid B are no longer being bullied.

Kid A's situation has improved because they are no longer being bullied, they are a bit happier but still sad because they have no friends.

Kid B's situation has improved because they are no longer being bullied, and they also can enjoy time with their friends now that they aren't being bullied

Would we say that the teacher stopping the bullying is bad or an ineffective course of action because Kid A didn't really improve in their mood compared to Kid B? No - there are a variety of other factors (one of which is their lack of friends) that may be contributing towards Kid A's sadness.

Obviously the situation we're talking about right now is much more complex and this example is not meant to be 1:1, but you can't just look at numbers and assume they are the truth. You can make numbers say anything

dumb b****

S/o trans women