Almost boring you already know it's gonna be classic raps when Navy Blue is on the label
I had to go with deluxe
You had to know we was young
My matrimony to d****
I'm having a hell of runs
I'm married, fell out of love
But caring about the bull
Staring into the sun
And I'm seeing green, my Pedigree on the run
yep!
THATS MY F***ING GOAT
And Remy talking his s***!!!
Rly liked his album this year but his verse was on another level tbh anything else by him this good??
Nah I know.
But I think you're defending the wrong point/distorting mine.
I'm not criticising Navy's production skills or suggesting his beats sound overly similar project-to-project. Loops are perfectly fine but, like anything, it's important how they're utilised.
When you stack Navy's beats one after the other, as in the context of these solo produced albums, it quickly feels rigid and predictable.
There's a reason why beat switches, transitions, momentary variations in the beat, audio samples, vocal mixing exist. Helps the album feel less stiff and exhaustive. Especially with artists like Akai. Instead you just get the same structure of a 4-8 second sample looped for 3 minutes for every track. That's not fully on Navy but it is a constant throughout these albums, and these 4 singles.
The best solo produced albums of the year to me - Haram, A Year of Octobers, Bo Jackson, Black Encyclopedia, Telephonebooth - are that because they're structured and detailed on a level far above Navy's full produced ones. I'm not coming into an album wanting to hear a playlist of Navy beats. It's an album - sequence and structure it appropriately.
And I had left SoS and NR out the discussion because neither are fully produced by Navy.
Still a bit confused tbh, you name two Alc projects as counter examples but recent Alc production is extremely repetitive as well, yes there's a bit of mixing here and there but it's 90-95% just a loop usually. Loops are lowkey the essence of hip-hop, Navy just strips it down to that.
I think it's because his beats are less smooth/ more off-kilter that you notice it more. I wasn't sure from listening to the singles but the formula works brilliantly on here imo
honest question
yall like the beats more or this guy rapping?
i cant get into it other than the beats
Still a bit confused tbh, you name two Alc projects as counter examples but recent Alc production is extremely repetitive as well, yes there's a bit of mixing here and there but it's 90-95% just a loop usually. Loops are lowkey the essence of hip-hop, Navy just strips it down to that.
I think it's because his beats are less smooth/ more off-kilter that you notice it more. I wasn't sure from listening to the singles but the formula works brilliantly on here imo
Haram is the most varied collection of Alc beats on an album in a hot minute. Bo Jackson felt really redundant to me tbh, but still—Alc always adds idiosyncrasies in his beats that keep them interesting start to finish, or, if producing an album fully, has a healthy mix of trappy beats, some minimal/drumless ones, some really weird vocal loops, etc. Until Bo Jackson, I’ve never heard an underwhelming/repetitive Alc-produced record.
Re: Half God, the beats I love on this—The Business, Never Fall Off—I could probably listen to for an hour straight. But I agree w @DwindlingSun in that a good few of these beats were nice to listen to for the first like 30 seconds, but get stale quick—Remarkably, Home, Gas Face, Promised, New Truths. This might as well be a criticism of Wiki (and Akai, in his case) as much as of Navy. I’m just not tryna hear Wiki rap over these types of loops for 3.5/4 minutes (!)
The method of looping isn’t the problem, it’s a matter of synthesizing an addictive/interesting loop + raps + track length. Just think everything didn’t add up on here (coming from a massive Navy fan)
Feel like an ideal Navy-produced album would be something like SRS—under 2-min tracks with a really really strong/eccentric lyricist.
Me liking repetitive loops
glad im not the only one lmfao i love minimal s*** so i appreciate navy’s approach in his beats
Haram is the most varied collection of Alc beats on an album in a hot minute. Bo Jackson felt really redundant to me tbh, but still—Alc always adds idiosyncrasies in his beats that keep them interesting start to finish, or, if producing an album fully, has a healthy mix of trappy beats, some minimal/drumless ones, some really weird vocal loops, etc. Until Bo Jackson, I’ve never heard an underwhelming/repetitive Alc-produced record.
Re: Half God, the beats I love on this—The Business, Never Fall Off—I could probably listen to for an hour straight. But I agree w @DwindlingSun in that a good few of these beats were nice to listen to for the first like 30 seconds, but get stale quick—Remarkably, Home, Gas Face, Promised, New Truths. This might as well be a criticism of Wiki (and Akai, in his case) as much as of Navy. I’m just not tryna hear Wiki rap over these types of loops for 3.5/4 minutes (!)
The method of looping isn’t the problem, it’s a matter of synthesizing an addictive/interesting loop + raps + track length. Just think everything didn’t add up on here (coming from a massive Navy fan)
Feel like an ideal Navy-produced album would be something like SRS—under 2-min tracks with a really really strong/eccentric lyricist.
huge cosign on your last sentence
when this pairing of Wiki x Navy got announced i was hoping for a similar approach to the one Wiki and NAH followed earlier this year with Telephonebooth, making it really short and sweet but focused on one sound
in a vacuum i could listen to Wiki rapping for hours straight but when he's working with only one producer the challenge lies in balancing it out
I can understand the critiques regarding the production at times but I feel like for the most part this was done very well and I'm not even the biggest Wiki fan generally speaking
Back on my roof and ain't s*** boring
My fit kicks Jordans with a Mets lid on 'em
Been wet since a jit, the kid had s*** sorted
Last miss dipped on 'em, but now my chick foreign
I'm certain, a certain publication is going to give this an 8 while simultaneously giving Telephonebooth a 6 lmao
honest question
yall like the beats more or this guy rapping?
i cant get into it other than the beats
So far maybe the beats a bit more but Wiki bodied all of them tbh, great mic presence, flow and lyrics. That said I think his rapping could be more concise at times and being an Earl fan too I feel like some songs could've done with a verse less and there's one or two hooks I'm only so so about so far.
Just having revisited Ratking and fallen in love with that sound I feel like his performances on So It Goes were a bit stronger and more catchy on there too and Oofie still got some of my favorites of his as well, this is among his best releases tho for sure