Mmm Hmm

2y

If individually scoring parts of the rollout
Album cover art
Aesthetic
Impact
Music

Etc

These should all be individual things

I don't think (not saying u r)
That if the cover is bad it makes the music go from a 9 to a 6

OHMNI

2y

aight everyone got to just stop responding to 2words so we can discuss the actual album

2words

2y

The song was a very important piece on the album. If it was a track earlier in the list it might not have been the end of the world. But it’s basically a key piece to the great outro section of the album. Without it, the sequence is much less satisfying.

And even ignoring that, usually losing one of your best songs is going to make the album “worse”, yes. I’m kind of confused at why you even had to frame the question like that and ask me, as if it isn’t somewhat obvious. Y’all just hate me so much you make the coldest take seem crazy

Valentine

2y

Nigga really said the cover curving his score by .3-.5 ayo KTT, never change

Mmm Hmm

2y

Divine said
Ye will always sell cuz he's Kanye
But I disagree

1. If the music isn't good, I'm not given it multiple listens. Rip Cudi

2. His fan base his keeping him alive
But casuals keep everyone even more alive
If ye was as popular or as loved as a regular artist
He'd prob double it based on sheep and casuals listening to his music

3. Moral police, media, dsp's, obvious blackball, being independent, no one with actual high ranking status wanting to be associated with him

All those things in #3 apply heavy
In game terms
And yes Ye did it himself, he's obviously at fault
Gave himself a mega Debuff
He's over encumbered
Mans is playing in the hardest difficulty right now

Fax My Brother

2y

i really dont like ye as a person atp, so im not really still listening cus im a fan im listening cus i enjoy the music there's a lot of people like me in the world that people dont really want to acknowledge

when it comes to ye it's always all or nothing for some people, if you listen to the music = nazi, if you don't then you're superior

his fanbase is pure cancer but the casuals are what gave him those sales, not the actual nazis that love him for what he stands for

cjcarryskip

2y

yall on some goofy s*** itt

ImportedOliveOil_

2y

I have a few friends that I would consider normies and none of them care about what Ye said last year and or even know about it. Really is a Twitter and Ktt thing.

These people also love the album some have even told me it’s their favorite since MBDTF

Mmm Hmm

2y

I can understand it
If you have good (don't die)

As like a top 5 on the album

But if it wasn't
I don't think it impacts the album that much negatively

Let's say u have good a 8/10

But u rated the other songs much higher and technically had good as like bottom 3
On a no skip album

I don't think it's removal would make that much of a difference

Like removing so appalled from mbdtf would suck

But it wouldn't make mbdtf any less great

JeffersonSteelflex

2y

Bro would literally be the highest selling artist of all time probably if he didn’t cause controversy tbh if anyone would have been MJs artistic successor it definitely would have been him

2words

2y

Yeah cause I’m not discussing the album

Mmm Hmm

2y

Let's separate

More tiers

Die hard ye stans that agree with everything he says
Ye stans that love the music only
Ye stans that love what he stands for
Casuals with no morality issues
Casuals with decent morality
Casuals with high morality
People who don't know who Kanye is

I'm just here for the music

I really doubt.reslly really doubt
Kanyes fan base is now primarily
Nazi niggas that hate Jews

Fax My Brother

2y

it's not

i'd say like 98% falls into the "just here for the music" category, stan or otherwise

2% or even less like him for his political stances, mainly online types on discord and reddit

2words

2y

So appalled a bad comparison because I agree there. And Good Don’t Die not in my top 5 but probably top 7

But this is more like removing Blame Game or Lost In The World. Neither is in my top 5 songs but they help the album to have a satisfying and emotional “ending”. That takes away from how hard the album hits as a whole experience. That’s the problem here it just feels like we took out a major plot resolving moment toward the end of the movie. It’s not about the quality of the song but more about the role it played on the album.

OHMNI

2y

Actually

though this is real

very few of any music artist no matter their reach are people with them for their political stances

Mmm Hmm

2y

I love so appalled!

I mean at the end of the day
Alot of ppl won't even know good exists

Those that listen to the album much later

Us fans kno bout it
And also can just download it
Or buy it
And ittl be like it never left

Take care doesn't have club paradise or free spirit

And it would obviously make take care much much better

But at least we have the songs

2words

2y

It’s true but it would be even more disappointing if we heard a version of Take Care with club paradise perfectly placed and then it got removed. I think this album really needs a moment like Good Don’t Die there, it’s part of what made it work

I’m criticizing from a fan on a forum perspective and plenty of people heard the song when it dropped. The fact is these type of pump fakes and last minute changes usually aren’t good for one’s enjoyment of the album. It’s a bad way to present things. You have to be decisive and get it right the first time. This wishy washy s*** ain’t it and it’s why the last albums were so bad. Unfortunately this album couldn’t fully escape it either. Still an improvement but it’s around Pablo level for me. Soooo close but execution missed a few points

OHMNI

2y

OMG HE ADMITS IT

Mmm Hmm

2y

Pre copyright issues
what was ur rating

And whats ur rating now?