i miss the old ktt2

in 2020 this would have turned into capitalism vs socialism thread by now

Lmao it’s Kendrick and Kanye’s fault and not fans/artists deciding to give up ?

I don’t wanna see OP get mad over rappers differentiating themselves as “artists” when they get mad over rappers making hiphop that is elevated over most artistic forms that exist today

Though we have our differences I always can tell that you actually care 🥺

Oh yeah it was super interesting how Uzi channeled that 14 year old white edgelord aesthetic from cringe old pedophile Marilyn Manson lmao

You know nothing of my art or music but I can tell you my favorites, why they’re my favorites and how they influenced me

yea it was correct

Even if u don’t find it interesting it doesn’t matter to my point rly.

Any impactful art can influence u in ways a listener might not pick up on.
Your entire fashion sense and ethos with fame and persona is quite an impact for an artist to have on u, they can influence u in other ways that isn’t literally how u rap or the type of beats u tackle

For example Ken has explicitly said how slam metal and pop punk influence him and he loves that music which can be seen in more chaos structure, ethos, wall of sound extreme vision, and all the gore imagery. He applies it in a rap context what he likes form slam metal. The stop and start of Jennifer’s body is a direct rip from the start of brain stew.

Destroy lonely grew up in a household playing a lot of 2000s darker metal and rock music, he’s a huge fan of deftones, panchiko, the cure, Marilyn Manson, and portishead. That’s seen in the instrumental choices, fashion choices, music videos, some of his choices of imagery, and the atmosphere he tries to make for the music and explains a lot of his artistic choices and identity as part of a broader picture. He doesn’t have to make trap metal for that to be real.

His love for panchiko as his fav band tho also could like not inform his music much unless subtly in a dif way but it could still be his fav band and that’s fair lol that’s how influence works.

Was it cool when he s*** on hip hop and all the legends that paved the way for him to even be in that position, Then shouted out a bunch of old white people?

And again you can easily say “l liked that guys aesthetic”

Am I stupid for thinking a musician saying “this guys my favorite musician” would be about the music? Lmao

I don’t think it’s s***ting on anyone who cares who the legends are that doesn’t mean they influenced him lol Uzi explicitly has said his influences

Thug, Marilyn Manson, ying yang twins, future, paramore, Kanye, Wayne, chief keef, Rocky, etc

Are black artists not allowed to be influenced by non black artists? It’s deeper than aesthetic he was influenced by him in multiple ways lol why do u care? He’s a fan of the guy he has his own taste that’s how it be. I can listen to a black flag song and be like ok I wanna recreate the feeling of this but in how I be rapping that’s inspo right there

It’s lacking because your boiling down influence into just the obvious pieces of other music you see in what you hear from how the guy raps or what beats he picks when influence is way deeper and more multi faceted in how it can manifest. Someone may have a fav artist like Anita baker but its just the music they enjoy the most and reminds them of home that don’t mean it translates to how they want to express their art per se that’s also like a choice

“Can’t have an opinion on professional basketball unless you’ve played professional basketball yourself” level take

I make music and think his take on Views’s concept being greatly executed is horrible

Idk if you’ve ever made music or not but showing/talking about making music to people who don’t know anything about the process is absolutely mind numbing

Yeah facts like the fadester is 100% correct in his general logic of how crazy THAT logic sounds, but when it comes to songwriting it’s 100% correct - mfs that don’t know need to shut up

I’ve made music before, and I agree to a certain extent, but Goretex don’t understand that it’s possible to be extremely knowledgeable on the subject of music without ever having seriously made it yourself.

Also, taste and talent don’t always coincide. You can have all the talent and know all the music theory in the world and make dogshit music (Jacob Collier, Charlie Puth)

Or you can know not much music theory whatsoever but be an all-time GOAT artist (Kanye)

That’s why I think it’s silly to say something like people that don’t make music shouldn’t have an opinion on music, because making music is not a prerequisite for having informed opinions & taste

most of the people you talk to online about music have never made music in their life lmao, they just like talking about music. same as most niggas have never made a movie

Most niggas that play video games have never made a video game

Most niggas that read books have never written and published a book

That whole “you can’t speak on something unless you’ve done it yourself” concept is ass backwards

AP music theory wasn’t just a class for kids in band and orchestra lmao. I get it tho, there is a nuance that comes to talking to someone who has made music, but how you think film writers feel tryna read through comments about a random episode they watching? can’t stay in that mindset cause you’ll never know who makes music or doesn’t unless they reveal it lmao and at that point it becomes so what?

I love a***yzing music like that. It's just something about the intricacies that make me go

Nah that’s nerd s*** according to the guy above you

Names?

Off-topic somewhat but my biggest pet peeve is that most people in the game always cite the same person as a major influence (Kanye West, Pharrell, Dr. Dre, Prince, etc. )

Sure, that shows an artists' legacy but it can also be a reason why some music scenes, movements, and sounds these days are homogeneous.

Not a musician by any means, but I always stand firm in my love and inspiration from 80s R&B. When it comes to artists (Hip Hop, R&B) citing influence, you mostly hear them discuss the 60s, 70s, 90s, and Early 2000s as starting points.

The only artists I recall that actually channel 80s R&B are Maxwell and Qendresa. Those artists took that style and sound in different ways compared to some of their contemporaries who cite the aforementioned musical periods.

I feel as if without 80s R&B, I probably wouldn't be able to be that open minded and diverse oriented to different sounds. Or introduce any of the music I share to KTT2. Whether new and old

The fact the 80s R&B scene had New Wave, Rock, Funk, Electronic, Jazz Fusion as elements was pretty dope. A lot of artists were collaborating with each other from different genres.

Personally, I don't think the Urban Contemporary landscape didn't become open minded again until the 2010s with the rise of Alternative R&B and of course, Hip Hop evolving into a fluid genre blender.

So, hopefully we'll have another creative renaissance in the lens of 80s R&B and 2010s Urban Contemporary but we'll have to wait a while for a major reconstruction.

Paris Texas

It’s a case by case thing

Ive made music for a decade, Talking to someone who knows absolutely nothing about the intricacies of it can be very frustrating. A majority of the time they don’t even understand what’s going on. I’ve had homies who know nothing over when making beats say “this is sounding crazy” while literally programming a 4 on the floor drum loop lmao

Like I’ve been saying the whole thread

I think they’re just lying when they say those artists are a major influence lol