Mar 13, 2021·2 replies
Shabazz999go to google and look up pictures of afghanistan in the 60s and 70s, it's almost like the US's involvement in helping take down it's government in the 80s and invasion in the 2000s caused the country to go down this path
The russians invaded afghanistan in the 80s
The us helped the mujahideen yes so they absolutely contributed, but the russians helped the communists seize power and then invaded to maintain their control
You can argue that funding the mujahideen was bad and many would agree, but the role of the soviet invasion gets conveniently left out
Mar 13, 2021·1 replyTragedyBerlusconiThe russians invaded afghanistan in the 80s
The us helped the mujahideen yes so they absolutely contributed, but the russians helped the communists seize power and then invaded to maintain their control
You can argue that funding the mujahideen was bad and many would agree, but the role of the soviet invasion gets conveniently left out
Soviet Union was invited in by Afghanistan, they were still reluctant to come in because they were baited into a war as @americana said
Mar 13, 2021TragedyBerlusconiThe russians invaded afghanistan in the 80s
The us helped the mujahideen yes so they absolutely contributed, but the russians helped the communists seize power and then invaded to maintain their control
You can argue that funding the mujahideen was bad and many would agree, but the role of the soviet invasion gets conveniently left out
another day another misconception about soviet foreign policy and afghan politics by a wikipedia historian
- Mar 13, 2021·1 replyPexlivaniz
Soviet Union was invited in by Afghanistan, they were still reluctant to come in because they were baited into a war as @americana said
precisely. Soviet foreign policy aimed at containment of existing pockets of communist ideologies and avoiding tipping power scales with the US to bring about an open conflict.Italy was turned down as a communist nation, and they viewed the Afghan revolution as a few educated bourgeois who were destabilizing another region and tying up more valuable russian troops and rubles. The united states specifically funded the Mujahideen and al Qaeda and the ISI of Pakistan to further exasperate these issues and leave the USSR with another Vietnam
The Saur Revolution itself was an uprising against the extremely Pashtun nationalist rule of Daoud Khan, who deposed the popular monarch Zahir Shah (who was an incredible figure that is heavily recommend reading about.) The communist framework itself was divided ideologically between the rural conservative, Maoist Pashtun Parchami, and the academic, multiethnic, Marxist Khalqi movement
- Mar 13, 2021·edited·1 replyamericana
precisely. Soviet foreign policy aimed at containment of existing pockets of communist ideologies and avoiding tipping power scales with the US to bring about an open conflict.Italy was turned down as a communist nation, and they viewed the Afghan revolution as a few educated bourgeois who were destabilizing another region and tying up more valuable russian troops and rubles. The united states specifically funded the Mujahideen and al Qaeda and the ISI of Pakistan to further exasperate these issues and leave the USSR with another Vietnam
The Saur Revolution itself was an uprising against the extremely Pashtun nationalist rule of Daoud Khan, who deposed the popular monarch Zahir Shah (who was an incredible figure that is heavily recommend reading about.) The communist framework itself was divided ideologically between the rural conservative, Maoist Pashtun Parchami, and the academic, multiethnic, Marxist Khalqi movement
Ah ok, genuinely didnt know that my bad, I'll bow out
Even then, only 20% of mujahideen funding came from America. And the communists were not popular. Fact
Mar 13, 2021·1 replyamericanai’d rather you treat my country with some amount of respect after the US spent forty years funding the exact groups that are bringing about this strain of thought rather than treat it the same way you would any other third world country that is being raped by the West for its resources
Lmao America isn't the reason that country got f***ed. But they did add to it
- Mar 13, 2021Bo Ceephus
Lmao America isn't the reason that country got f***ed. But they did add to it
america took the nature of a political crisis that was ongoing in Afghanistan and literally stretched the wound open as far as it could for the sake of producing a proxy war that the Soviets did not want to enter in the first place
If their money, Pakistani money, and Saudi money didn’t go into the Mujahideen my country wouldn’t have ended up becoming a warzone for what is now 40 years
- Mar 13, 2021·1 replyTragedyBerlusconi
Ah ok, genuinely didnt know that my bad, I'll bow out
Even then, only 20% of mujahideen funding came from America. And the communists were not popular. Fact
those are facts, but 20% goes a long way, and how would Pakistan, the UK, and Saudi Arabia fund the mujahideen without US direction and/or aid?
- Mar 13, 2021americana
those are facts, but 20% goes a long way, and how would Pakistan, the UK, and Saudi Arabia fund the mujahideen without US direction and/or aid?
No disagreement here
- Mar 13, 2021americana
obviously.
Pakistan’s ISI and the Saudi Foreign Intelligence office have been nearly openly funding the Taliban since the 1990’s, and America simply will not stop giving them money even though it gets americans killed
they will also not pursue ANY productive solutions in regards to rebuilding ANY of the damage done in this country. Any progress made since 2010 has basically been reversed
The lobbyists in america don't care about american or afghan lives , they want an ongoing war to profit from
- May 12, 2021·1 replyamericana
i’d rather OP not sound like a d***head about issues that were brought about by his own country’s doing
What's ops country?
- May 13, 2021·1 replyMister wiggles
What's ops country?
i’m assuming OP is an american or western national
- May 13, 2021
Afghanistan is not going any fkn where. There’s a reason why they call it “the graveyard of empires”.
Russians didn’t invade, they stumbled in & got sent back in body bags. America’s high-tailing right tf now.
Look at that. Nuclear armed superpowers against mountain men on horses with rocket launchers.
You’re talking about a 21st century mongol khanate. I just pray it finds stability and proper governance.
May 13, 2021·1 replyamericanai’d rather you treat my country with some amount of respect after the US spent forty years funding the exact groups that are bringing about this strain of thought rather than treat it the same way you would any other third world country that is being raped by the West for its resources
Governments who want to play God ending up fighting groups they created/funded is such a cliche at this point. Been going on since the Roman empire but none of them want to learn.
- May 13, 2021americana
i’m assuming OP is an american or western national
Why?
May 13, 2021·editedamericanai’d rather you treat my country with some amount of respect after the US spent forty years funding the exact groups that are bringing about this strain of thought rather than treat it the same way you would any other third world country that is being raped by the West for its resources
real
America has always been a war country and we create our own demons for the most part due to the inherent culture of violence that keeps our social fabric tidy. America funding the crack epidemic on purpose to hit black/brown/poor communities the hardest. America giving handjobs to the Saudis for oil to fund Wahhabist schools of thought in UAE, which has influenced Islamic extremists around the world including Bin Laden.
I can go on and on, but America always pokes the hornet’s nest and acts dumb when we get stung back, and the gov doesn’t mind sacrificing its own people for imperial gain. 9/11 and the “war on terror”
- May 13, 2021Lein
Governments who want to play God ending up fighting groups they created/funded is such a cliche at this point. Been going on since the Roman empire but none of them want to learn.
May 13, 2021·2 repliesI don’t understand the purpose of the ban
- May 13, 2021RoomOnFire
I don’t understand the purpose of the ban
To keep sharia law gate keepers satisfied
- May 13, 2021RoomOnFire
I don’t understand the purpose of the ban
To satisfy Islamists
May 13, 2021·2 repliesamericanathe issue is that this site does not understand the preconditions of afghanistan nor its politics at all. Their knowledge begins with the words “al-Qaeda,” “9/11,” and “Rambo III” and ends right there save for whatever anecdotes I can share about the years i spent growing up in Kabul
The entire point of my stance is that this conservativism is literally only enabled by the fact that the US is using my country as a money pot for its military industrial complex, and it is a glaring issue that should be pointed out instead of pretending like my country ended up having some theocratic revolution on its own with the goal of oppressing women
the point is not to shift blame for the sake of saving face but for people to get into their heads that this entire doing is not some independent variable that Afghans themselves came up with. This is the result of half a century of first world neo-colonialism
Islam itself is very conservative as well, though
- May 14, 2021Pedro
Islam itself is very conservative as well, though
- May 14, 2021·2 repliesPedro
Islam itself is very conservative as well, though
And, what of it? Neither is Judaism or Christianity? And I’m not talking about the perversed, distorted new-age interpretations of the two - rather the orthodox versions where Christians/Jews follow everything to a TEE.
The one where the actual Christians led crusades into the Holy Land (THAT Christianity).
And the one where the orthodox Jews oppose & denounce the state of Israel, as having a Jewish state is prohibited in actual Judaism (NOT Zionism).
Not that pick & choose s***, which shows religious weakness - but the core fundamentals of their holy books (Bible/Torah).
The pot got a tie-die paint job & called the kettle black, all because it truly stayed black & unchanged.
- May 14, 2021·1 replyALPHABEAR
And, what of it? Neither is Judaism or Christianity? And I’m not talking about the perversed, distorted new-age interpretations of the two - rather the orthodox versions where Christians/Jews follow everything to a TEE.
The one where the actual Christians led crusades into the Holy Land (THAT Christianity).
And the one where the orthodox Jews oppose & denounce the state of Israel, as having a Jewish state is prohibited in actual Judaism (NOT Zionism).
Not that pick & choose s***, which shows religious weakness - but the core fundamentals of their holy books (Bible/Torah).
The pot got a tie-die paint job & called the kettle black, all because it truly stayed black & unchanged.
All religion is trash imo
- May 14, 2021·1 replyPedro
All religion is trash imo
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