OPNov 20, 2019·edited·1 reply
EnpaxYou would think if idumeans and romans were the same, they would have origin stories, languages, and contact suggesting such. There is no hint of edom in ancient Roman stories and likewise with Rome in edom. Latin is descended from Proto-indo European while edomites spoke a Canaanite language in the Afro-asiatic family. The mythology of the edomites religion more closely resembles that of the Levant (such as Moab and Israel) than that of Europe, while Roman mythology more closely resembles that of Greece and the etruscans. In contrast, the Carthigian empire in North Africa started out from colonists from Phoenicia (canaanand this is known by their shared customs, similar languages, and written accounts between members of both communities interaction with each other, with Phoenicia clearly taking the role of the “mother country ” to colonists around the Mediterranean. No such interaction can be found between romans and idumeans
According to the Bible: note Zepho is an Edomite. Also explains why Edomites have Cannanite genetics. They’re Edomites at the end of the day.
Genesis 36:1-2, 5-6, 8, 11 KJV
“Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.
Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan;
And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these are the sons of Esau, which were born unto him in the land of Canaan.
And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the persons of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.
Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.
And the sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, ZEPHO, and Gatam, and Kenaz.”
This literally states in the second to last paragraph
Many Edomites subsequently came to people Italy; by them Rome was founded.
This clearly states how Esau/Edom became linked Rome and Italy. Not only this, Rome took over the land of Edom before their rise to dominance.
Nov 20, 2019·1 replyOp u buggin out
- OPNov 20, 2019Saxophone
Op u buggin out
Good movie, not the correct response.
- OPNov 20, 2019·edited·1 replyEnpax
You would think if idumeans and romans were the same, they would have origin stories, languages, and contact suggesting such. There is no hint of edom in ancient Roman stories and likewise with Rome in edom. Latin is descended from Proto-indo European while edomites spoke a Canaanite language in the Afro-asiatic family. The mythology of the edomites religion more closely resembles that of the Levant (such as Moab and Israel) than that of Europe, while Roman mythology more closely resembles that of Greece and the etruscans. In contrast, the Carthigian empire in North Africa started out from colonists from Phoenicia (canaanand this is known by their shared customs, similar languages, and written accounts between members of both communities interaction with each other, with Phoenicia clearly taking the role of the “mother country ” to colonists around the Mediterranean. No such interaction can be found between romans and idumeans
A third source tying Esau to Zepho, Zepho to the Father of Rome (Rum) and Esau being its Ancestor.
- Nov 20, 2019·1 replycanon
According to the Bible: note Zepho is an Edomite. Also explains why Edomites have Cannanite genetics. They’re Edomites at the end of the day.
Genesis 36:1-2, 5-6, 8, 11 KJV
“Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.
Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan;
And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these are the sons of Esau, which were born unto him in the land of Canaan.
And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the persons of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.
Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.
And the sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, ZEPHO, and Gatam, and Kenaz.”
This literally states in the second to last paragraph
Many Edomites subsequently came to people Italy; by them Rome was founded.This clearly states how Esau/Edom became linked Rome and Italy. Not only this, Rome took over the land of Edom before their rise to dominance.
The term Zepho only appears in the book of genesis, that page is not the real Ezekiel lol. And it also doesn’t explain away the rest of my post
- Nov 20, 2019·edited·1 replycanon
A third source tying Esau to Zepho, Zepho to the Father of Rome (Rum) and Esau being its Ancestor.
This is an Arabian interpretation of the origins of “rum” (which in their minds was actually more of what we would now call Greece, as the eastern Roman Empire referee to themselves as “romans” but were based in Constantinople which is now Istanbul). Once again this is not backed by any true Christian, Islamic, or Judaic scripture, so it should not be taken as such
- OPNov 20, 2019·edited·1 replyEnpax
This is an Arabian interpretation of the origins of “rum” (which in their minds was actually more of what we would now call Greece, as the eastern Roman Empire referee to themselves as “romans” but were based in Constantinople which is now Istanbul). Once again this is not backed by any true Christian, Islamic, or Judaic scripture, so it should not be taken as such
This is stating how 3 different perspectives: Hebrews, Jewish and Islamic people have all stated that Esau is Rome.
Pertaining to Roman Mythology:
First off, the Greeks took the Israelites captive. This is stated in 2 Maccabees 6. Going to cite verses 1-9,12
1 Not long after this the king sent an old man of Athens to compel the Jews to depart from the laws of their fathers, and not to live after the laws of God:
2 And to pollute also the temple in Jerusalem, and to call it the temple of Jupiter Olympius; and that in Garizim, of Jupiter the Defender of strangers, as they did desire that dwelt in the place. 3 The coming in of this mischief was sore and grievous to the people:
4 For the temple was filled with riot and revelling by the Gentiles, who dallied with harlots, and had to do with women within the circuit of the holy places, and besides that brought in things that were not lawful.
5 The altar also was filled with profane things, which the law forbiddeth.
6 Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.
7 And in the day of the king's birth every month they were brought by bitter constraint to eat of the sacrifices; and when the fast of Bacchus was kept, the Jews were compelled to go in procession to Bacchus, carrying ivy.
8 Moreover there went out a decree to the neighbour cities of the heathen, by the suggestion of Ptolemee, against the Jews, that they should observe the same fashions, and be partakers of their sacrifices:
9 And whoso would not conform themselves to the manners of the Gentiles should be put to death. Then might a man have seen the present misery.
12 Now I beseech those that read this book, that they be not discouraged for these calamities, but that they judge those punishments not to be for destruction, but for a chastening of our nation.Now after the Greeks became the leading nation, Rome took the Greeks and their inhabitants captive. Hebrews included. This makes Rome the head honcho. The first thing Rome did was set up Saturn (Zepho) as their ultimate deity and placed Zeus as a 3rd tier god. They also banned the use of the name Zeus only permitting Jupiter. Any variation of the name Zeus was banned, this included YHWH. This is the origin of the name Jesus. Jesus means Hail Zeus, when in reality the Hellenised Jews were saying Hail YHWH!
This also explains the phrase “Neither Jew nor Greek”
Yes the Romans piggy backed off of Greek mythology and used their set up to strengthen their mythology. Saturn is where we get Saturnalia from. All Roman worship.
- OPNov 20, 2019·1 replyEnpax
The term Zepho only appears in the book of genesis, that page is not the real Ezekiel lol. And it also doesn’t explain away the rest of my post
Am I missing something? Haven’t brought up Ezekiel yet lol.
Historians, the Bible even Jesus states who Edom is. Jesus was an essene not a Pharisee, Sadducee, nor a scribe. He stems from the tribe of Judah and is a Hebrew by birthright
Nov 20, 2019Im real and imma support me, i could care less about what skin color the person has that rips me off
- Nov 20, 2019·edited·1 replycanon
Am I missing something? Haven’t brought up Ezekiel yet lol.
Historians, the Bible even Jesus states who Edom is. Jesus was an essene not a Pharisee, Sadducee, nor a scribe. He stems from the tribe of Judah and is a Hebrew by birthright
The image you posted says “Ezekiel” and I’m not saying that’s not actually the book from the Bible. Also Jesus was not an essene. Essenes were obsessed with cleanliness and living seperatly from the general population. Jesus was all about serving the community and reaching out
- Nov 20, 2019·3 repliescanon
This is stating how 3 different perspectives: Hebrews, Jewish and Islamic people have all stated that Esau is Rome.
Pertaining to Roman Mythology:
First off, the Greeks took the Israelites captive. This is stated in 2 Maccabees 6. Going to cite verses 1-9,12
1 Not long after this the king sent an old man of Athens to compel the Jews to depart from the laws of their fathers, and not to live after the laws of God:
2 And to pollute also the temple in Jerusalem, and to call it the temple of Jupiter Olympius; and that in Garizim, of Jupiter the Defender of strangers, as they did desire that dwelt in the place. 3 The coming in of this mischief was sore and grievous to the people:
4 For the temple was filled with riot and revelling by the Gentiles, who dallied with harlots, and had to do with women within the circuit of the holy places, and besides that brought in things that were not lawful.
5 The altar also was filled with profane things, which the law forbiddeth.
6 Neither was it lawful for a man to keep sabbath days or ancient fasts, or to profess himself at all to be a Jew.
7 And in the day of the king's birth every month they were brought by bitter constraint to eat of the sacrifices; and when the fast of Bacchus was kept, the Jews were compelled to go in procession to Bacchus, carrying ivy.
8 Moreover there went out a decree to the neighbour cities of the heathen, by the suggestion of Ptolemee, against the Jews, that they should observe the same fashions, and be partakers of their sacrifices:
9 And whoso would not conform themselves to the manners of the Gentiles should be put to death. Then might a man have seen the present misery.
12 Now I beseech those that read this book, that they be not discouraged for these calamities, but that they judge those punishments not to be for destruction, but for a chastening of our nation.Now after the Greeks became the leading nation, Rome took the Greeks and their inhabitants captive. Hebrews included. This makes Rome the head honcho. The first thing Rome did was set up Saturn (Zepho) as their ultimate deity and placed Zeus as a 3rd tier god. They also banned the use of the name Zeus only permitting Jupiter. Any variation of the name Zeus was banned, this included YHWH. This is the origin of the name Jesus. Jesus means Hail Zeus, when in reality the Hellenised Jews were saying Hail YHWH!
This also explains the phrase “Neither Jew nor Greek”
Yes the Romans piggy backed off of Greek mythology and used their set up to strengthen their mythology. Saturn is where we get Saturnalia from. All Roman worship.
Jews are Hebrews and Muslims just got the story from Jews anyway
Most prominent Roman gods were Jupiter and Mars so that’s not true. Also the name Jesus does not have a Greek origin, it is a Hebrew name “Yeshua”, transliterates as “Iesous” in the Greek New Testament, the “Hail Zeus” thing is just a myth
Nov 20, 2019You just sound stupid mate
- OPNov 20, 2019·1 replyEnpax
Jews are Hebrews and Muslims just got the story from Jews anyway
Most prominent Roman gods were Jupiter and Mars so that’s not true. Also the name Jesus does not have a Greek origin, it is a Hebrew name “Yeshua”, transliterates as “Iesous” in the Greek New Testament, the “Hail Zeus” thing is just a myth
You’re stating claims without citing sources b
- OPNov 20, 2019·1 replyEnpax
Jews are Hebrews and Muslims just got the story from Jews anyway
Most prominent Roman gods were Jupiter and Mars so that’s not true. Also the name Jesus does not have a Greek origin, it is a Hebrew name “Yeshua”, transliterates as “Iesous” in the Greek New Testament, the “Hail Zeus” thing is just a myth
Jesus name is truly Yahawashi. There was no va nor ey vowels in Hebrew. That’s matrix lexiones or the false Hebrew language. The Hebrews never used matrix lexiones it’s a foreign writing form of the prophets and those living at that time.
- OPNov 20, 2019·edited·1 replyEnpax
Jews are Hebrews and Muslims just got the story from Jews anyway
Most prominent Roman gods were Jupiter and Mars so that’s not true. Also the name Jesus does not have a Greek origin, it is a Hebrew name “Yeshua”, transliterates as “Iesous” in the Greek New Testament, the “Hail Zeus” thing is just a myth
Jewish people of today aren’t Hebrews.
This is why there’s war in Palestine. There’s supposed to b peace on earth when the real Israelites return to Jerusalem. - Nov 20, 2019canon
You’re stating claims without citing sources b
A lot of it is wikipedia, but you can look at the sources in the bibliography
- OPNov 20, 2019·1 replyEnpax
The image you posted says “Ezekiel” and I’m not saying that’s not actually the book from the Bible. Also Jesus was not an essene. Essenes were obsessed with cleanliness and living seperatly from the general population. Jesus was all about serving the community and reaching out
Jesus was separate bro, he only spoke to the Israelites and told his disciples not to go in the way of the gentiles.
- Nov 20, 2019canon
Jewish people of today aren’t Hebrews.
This is why there’s war in Palestine. There’s supposed to b peace on earth when the real Israelites return to Jerusalem.All the Jews that were in Europe cluster closely with the Jews in the Muslim world. They’re all related to groups in the Levant as well so yeah, they’re israelites
- Nov 20, 2019·1 replycanon
Jesus was separate bro, he only spoke to the Israelites and told his disciples not to go in the way of the gentiles.
I mean Essenes didn’t even associate with other Jews, just other Essenes. And they had a very strict interpretation of the law. Jesus is said to have mixed with all groups of people in Israel
- OPNov 20, 2019·1 replyEnpax
I mean Essenes didn’t even associate with other Jews, just other Essenes. And they had a very strict interpretation of the law. Jesus is said to have mixed with all groups of people in Israel
Jesus also had a strict interpretation of the law. He was an austere man. He’s far from the image Christianity and the world painted him as.
Okay, the Jews of today are converts. Anyone can have s***and intermingle with other nations but that doesn’t make them from the lineage of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob.
The book is very specific, clear and direct as to whom the Jews are.
Have u read Deut 28? Did any of those curses happen to the Jews of today?
Genesis 15:13-14
When did this happen in their history?Revelations 2:9, Revelations 3:9. What does that mean?
There are plenty more, and verses to state who Esau is, that being Rome that’s backed by history.
Nov 20, 2019·2 repliesOp is a white man
- Nov 20, 2019·editedcanon
Jesus also had a strict interpretation of the law. He was an austere man. He’s far from the image Christianity and the world painted him as.
Okay, the Jews of today are converts. Anyone can have s***and intermingle with other nations but that doesn’t make them from the lineage of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob.
The book is very specific, clear and direct as to whom the Jews are.
Have u read Deut 28? Did any of those curses happen to the Jews of today?
Genesis 15:13-14
When did this happen in their history?Revelations 2:9, Revelations 3:9. What does that mean?
There are plenty more, and verses to state who Esau is, that being Rome that’s backed by history.
According to his actions in the New Testament, Jesus had a different interpretation of the scriptures than his contemporaries. He had his followers do stuff during the sabbath, defended an adulteress from receiving the death penalty, and taught that all divorce outside infidelity was wrong. I’m not saying he actually said or did any of that, only that the Bible claims he did
I don’t see how the Jews are converts if their dna is closer to Levantine like the Lebanese and Druze than it is to any Europeans. If Jews are mostly converts now, then what’s stopping them from being mostly converts at the time of the Maccabee revolt?
Bible is mostly fiction. Deut 28 can be interpreted to mean their successes under king David and Solomon were due to keeping their word and worshipping God. At that point the kingdom of Israel was said to extend through what is now Syria into the Euphrates river. The curses are if they turn to other gods, which is why the Assyrians, Egyptians, and Babylonians had destroyed them a couple times in later books
Gen 15, is the same, that was all land conquered in the fictional Bible by King David
Rev 2:9 and 3:9 is because early Christians hates Jews for rejecting their gospel so they sought to distance themselves, especially after the first Jewish Roman war. The Bible is full of unfulfilled prophecies, like the one about Egypt being a barren wasteland in Ezekiel 29. Throughout history that never actually happenedThere is absolutely no part in the canonical bible in either the Jewish or Christian versions, that links edom with Rome. Not only is that not supported archaeologically, but it’s not supported by the scripture either. If you can find a passage from the Bible saying, you can go ahead and post it
Nov 20, 2019
Nov 20, 2019canonJesus name is truly Yahawashi. There was no va nor ey vowels in Hebrew. That’s matrix lexiones or the false Hebrew language. The Hebrews never used matrix lexiones it’s a foreign writing form of the prophets and those living at that time.
Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς), the Greek form of the Hebrew name Yeshua (Hebrew: ישוע). As its roots lie in the name Yeshua, it is etymologically related to another biblical name, Joshua.
