americana

9mo

He’d go on a run w the neptunes

Starts a label

Doesn’t fw Kanye or HOV and puts his weight behind Dre/Em/50

Would this affect the 2007 beef

BrickellBayside

9mo

He was a pure crash out dummy by September of 96'

Heron, Buntry, Neckbone, Suge, all them death row niggas are all dead or in Suge's case, in prison.

He was only 25, and was deep into the MOB, running with all them Compton niggas. The internet likes to pretend that it was just on wax, but he was really in Compton, really in Watts, really running with those niggas.

Given what's happened to the actual muscle of DR that he was running with, he probably either dies, or f***s up his bail and goes back to prison and by the time he comes out, DR probably is cooked, and who knows what happens then.

Fascinating thought exercise but Pac was a grade A stupid young nigga. I think he would have had to have been reallllyyyy lucky to avoid death or serious jail time given where his life was at by 25

BrickellBayside

9mo

LMAO

I remember coming across this lol

Yeah Tbh I don't think there's a world where Pac doesn't get locked up again

He was running with toooo many MOB niggas that were knee deep into that s***. There's another story of Pac and Heron in Compton, and while Heron is in a store, Pac gets pressed by some crips and Pac straight up tells them where he's from, and Heron comes out of the store flashing pistols and s***.

It's stuff like that that never even made the news that give a window into how volatile his life was during this time period.

His death was incredibly unfortunate, but it wasn't an accident. Everyone he rolled with during this time is dead.

Water Giver

9mo

Idk Biggie would have also lived. And i know one thing regarding Jay:

Which means Jay would have been buried by Pacs foot on his neck thats already been happening for nearly 2 years plus Biggie would continue being the chosen one for East so Jay would also be pushed further down with Big

• Gotta remember even with pac dead and big about to die, jay's reasonable doubt did not do well its first year because they were literally indie and then jay was gonna be on a group album with Big after RD happened and he got his indie ish right, but imo Jay would have became a sideman "for" Big in the publics eye

And theres a chance Pacs and jays beef would have became mainstream which might have been its own can of worms in 96/97, BUT, Big might be able to squash it

Either Jay gets buried at least in his (our timeline) beginning years.

But maybe he has a more fruitful career in the 2000s like some other 90s east people thay werent huge in then 90s but popped off in the 2000s like 50 and Cam.

Pacs own label and political party and Bigs own label or indie route have their own timeline warping as well but you can only speculate so far on that. But i think its more interesting with more meat to chew to wonder how it would have affected the artists of their day and the ones just starting to bubble. With Jay Z + Pacs 2 groups and Bigs own group being the most able to speculate on. Along with Mase and Jadas DBlock.

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I dont think Pac or Big survives now tho if Puff is still a major factor. And if Puff aint a major factor then Big might never be discovered like that. And so on.

Quad studios pretty much always happens - and Puff pushing it further with the Vegas set up (allegedly) of the hitmen has a high chance of happening. Which puts us back where we are.

Pac happens without Puff but Big more than likely doesnt.

Anyways, imo. RIP to both regardless.

The biggest tiemline shift of the Rap genre & culture. The only other 2 is if 50 Cent blackball didnt happen or was successful, and if all of our genre leaders of the late 2010s to be the heads of the 2020s didnt all die or go to jail sich as Xxx, Pop, Juice, Drakeo, Peep etc. which literally robbed us of a whole decade and era wether you liked them or not.

Major essay levels but theres a lot to unpack if you want a legit conco about it and honestly i didnt even touch half of it or the routes.

It is fun to speculate tho 👍

insertcoolnamehere

9mo

The problem is a lot of his proteges were really

not good.

Like who tf was the bootleg redman nigga on one nation? That nigga was a BITER frfr

insertcoolnamehere

9mo

I been highkey thinking bout this and wanted to do a thread about alternate realities and s***:

Imagine if Pac doesnt get shot at a 2nd time, hell what if he dont get in a probation-breaking fight with lane

The beef keeps going how does it pan out for him?

I think eventually (as folks like Snoop was talking about wanting to work with Puff) folks on his side start breaking rank and Pac starts to turn into a 1v20 type of thing. Think folks would start to see it as a money losing battle from both sides

Also the beef gets interesting if bad boy/east coast rappers put up ballet footage of 2pac on the “summer jam screen” or at least in music videos, how you think he would respond to that?

insertcoolnamehere

9mo

As a pac fan (no gimmick, i literally bought the book where you can see ideas he had for businesses and poems and s***) idk if bro doesnt crash out.

Osage_

9mo

Nah fax I was gonna write about this. Alot of Tupac's associates had no star quality.

BUT, "All Eyez On Me" displayed alot of who his peers wouldve been ie Method Man, KC & JoJo, Kurupt...

But yea idk if he had the eye or ear to cultivate superstars like Dr Dre did.

insertcoolnamehere

9mo

difference between a rapper and a real producer. Producer HEARS s*** the average person cant hear.

A Lot of rappers dont really got a good ear unless your name rick ross. A loooot of Pac’s OG versions of the retail songs are not good (and i been on 2pac forums since i was a high school freshman)

Have you heard thugz mansion?

One of my fav lyrics of his but this beat is not it dawg.

OdeonRemix

9mo

Then he would get shot in 97

MVP Pinhead

9mo

his run would have probably lasted until the mid 2000s before pivoting into acting completely

KILLA CAM 300

9mo

Free Suge tho he misunderstood arguably one of the greatest executives in hip hop and my favorite figure throughout the history of this industy lol

insertcoolnamehere

9mo

Suge was a parasite f*** him

Osage_

9mo

Kanye was the hip hop messiah. He's Tupac had he not went to jail for the grape charge and turned all the way Thug Life.

help redefine what it meant to be a black man in america.

I feel like Kendrick is the last of that lineage. a healthy balance of all the legends.