Anybody who does not have to think about invasion - i.e. US-Americans - is privileged enough to fantasize about revolutions with no states with strong centralized structures to protect theif lands. Everybody else has to worry about that s***. The USA has Navy parked in front of VNZL as we speak. You think anarchist socities can organize f***ing naval mines and s***? Utopian. Even simple issues like how to conduct diplomacy require convoluted explanations by anarkiddies.
Maybe anarchism will work in a Mad Max hellscape, but right now, any socialist society needs a state
Frank Fernandez is a Cuban Anarchist who lived through Bay of Pigs.
What on EARTH are you on about, you need to stop and go educate yourself then maybe come back lmao
Frank Fernandez is a Cuban Anarchist who lived through Bay of Pigs.
What on EARTH are you on about, you need to stop and go educate yourself then maybe come back lmao
I'm not talking about him I'm talking about Amerikans like you Ted Cruz parents lived through Bay of Pigs too does that make them experts? Plenty of White Russians lived through 1917 does that make then communists?
Half this thread s you just saying to people "No ur wrong lol", f*** outta here
You can post as much Chomsky as you want, any revolution will need a state to survive the onslaught of counter-revolutionaries. The owning class's strangehold on land and resources has to be broken first, then the country has to protected against outside forces. No decentralized structure will be able to manage this save for smaller areas during war, and this has never occurred either. All the "solutions" you posted basically amount to state structures, just with the caveat of not using the evil s-word you anarchists despise so much.
Furthermore, abolishing the state does not abolish capitalism with it, which you are surely aware of.
"Each town proclaimed itself as a sovereign canton and set up a revolutionary committee (junta);' e]ach town acted on its own, declaring that the important thing was not cooperation with other towns but separation from them, thus precluding any possibility of a combined attack against bourgeois forces . It was the fragmentation and isolation of the revolutionary forces which enabled the government troops to smash one revolt after the other." - Engels on the 1872 uprising in Spain
A state isn't needed to counter invasion. That's just one way of doing things.
I'm also not sure what quoting Engels is supposed to mean.
Capitalism & the state both need to be done away with to then continue on to decolonization and liberation of oppressed peoples. An anarchist society can defend itself as a collective, that's the point.
This is what I'm talking about.
People come in this thread with misinformation & lack of actual anarchist information and hurl insults at Anarchists... When they don't know anything.
You need to learn how to read from multiple perspectives and make your own opinions about things. You're so far behind on this subject as I already mentioned, I do not know where to begin.
I'm not talking about him I'm talking about Amerikans like you Ted Cruz parents lived through Bay of Pigs too does that make them experts? Plenty of White Russians lived through 1917 does that make then communists?
You said Anarchists that don't have to deal with an invasion are privileged westerns.
You also said calling the Castro period a "dictatorship" is imperialist LARPing.
You said Anarchists that don't have to deal with an invasion are privileged westerns.
You also said calling the Castro period a "dictatorship" is imperialist LARPing.
Yes, Castro is not a dictator and anybody who claims so instantly discredits themselves as a lapdop of the bourgeoisie
Yes, Castro is not a dictator and anybody who claims so instantly discredits themselves as a lapdop of the bourgeoisie
So you know better than an actual Cuban who lives in Cuba?
You came in here with:
Class reductionism
Whitewashing of Anarchism
Severe lack of information
Propaganda
Sigh.
So you know better than an actual Cuban who lives in Cuba?
Ayn Rand lived in the USSR does that make her gospel on the USSR?
And that's rich coming from you, the guy who tried to explain who is considered brown and who isn't despite not being brown himself.
So you know what brownness is better than an actual brown person?
You came in here with:
Class reductionism
Whitewashing of Anarchism
Severe lack of information
Propaganda
Sigh.
And you're calling one of the greatest revolutionaries and anti-imperialists of modern times a dictator. Would not expect anything less from a first worlder.
Ayn Rand lived in the USSR does that make her gospel on the USSR?
And that's rich coming from you, the guy who tried to explain who is considered brown and who isn't despite not being brown himself.
So you know what brownness is better than an actual brown person?
Someone who actually lived under that time period in Cuba who criticized the authoritarianism is not an imperialist. You sound like a buffoon.
This is the THIRD time I've had to point out how stupid you sound.
And you ignored my last post in that thread regarding this topic again but you misunderstood for the second time. Stop quoting me, stop following me around, stop posting in my threads.
Someone who actually lived under that time period in Cuba who criticized the authoritarianism is not an imperialist. You sound like a buffoon.
This is the THIRD time I've had to point out how stupid you sound.
And you ignored my last post in that thread regarding this topic again but you misunderstood for the second time. Stop quoting me, stop following me around, stop posting in my threads.
All you can do is post ad hominems and say "We don't need a state we only need structures that function exactly like a state except we don't call them a state because states are super evil but basically it's whatever a state does just without economy of scales or efficient planning"
Anybody who sees what the USA is doing around the world and remotely believes that an anarchist movement is able to stand up against that superpower has no concept of history. You are blind to what the US is doing because you live in the imperialist core. First worlders have the privilege to not worry about these issues as much, but the rest of the world doesn't.
Look what happened to Ghadafi when he tried to implement a gold standard instead of the US dollar in the AU - anyone rattling at the American's throne with even the slightest transgression will be dealt with considerate force, force that can only be stopped with an efficient centralized structure that in turn mobilizes the masses into a stage of siege. And even then the movements can barely survive, if at all. It would be even worse without a state.
If Cuba weren't under siege since the 1950s, a lot of things would be different. But crackers are still mad about losing Cuba so Cubans have to do s*** they otherwise wouldn't have to. This has been the reality of any socialist society so far and will continue to be this way, as long as the USA exists.
Orwell's Homage to Catalonia
Errico Malatesta - The Method of Freedom: An Errico Malatesta Reader
Daniel Guerin - Anarchism: From Theory to Practice
Daniel Guerin - No Gods No Masters: An Anthology of Anarchism
Steven Hirsch - Anarchism and Syndicalism in the Colonial and Postcolonial World, 1870-1940
Frank Fernandez - Cuban Anarchism
African Anarchism is another one.
I'm actually not sure if there's any books on this specifically but in some "travelers" journals, Indigenous American societies are essentially described as Anarchist. No state, etc,.
Anarchism and Syndicalism in the Colonial and Postcolonial World, 1870-1940 The Praxis of National Liberation, Internationalism, and Social Revolution
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A book edited by Steven Hirsch and Lucien van der Walt examining social anarchist, anarchist communist, anarcho-syndicalist, and revolutionary syndicalist movements in Africa, Asia, East Europe, Latin America and the Caribbean
Better quality scan than the one that's out in public.
This is post is a perfect embodiment of how idealist anarchists are and how they lack the materialist approach socialists have
None of these states had successful anarchist insurrections that lasted longer than 2 years, and any short-term insurrection that occurred like in Spain or Greece was decades later because of the Great Depression and WWII, i.e. the material situation, and not because some porky elite got offed
If one elite dies another one replaces him. If let's say Boris Johnson died tomorrow, would anything about the UK change? No, because absolutely nothing about the material conditions of the worker would change.
This is the simplistic thinking anarchists have: State = Bad; State Leader = Bad; State Leader Dead = Good. Lmfao
Reminds me of the Anarchist Exclusion Act.
The (first) Red Scare too. Been some crazy ass propaganda
Anarcho capitalism in small communities/ countries > 5 million population might work.
Anarcho capitalism in small communities/ countries > 5 million population might work.
Anarcho capitalism isn't a thing
Anarcho capitalism in small communities/ countries > 5 million population might work.
They about to come for you 🙄
Anarcho capitalism in small communities/ countries > 5 million population might work.
Lol