JaeRell

4y

Only Bernie wants to win.

Katsura

4y

The other candidates want to lose?

JaeRell

4y

They don't care, lol.

Katsura

4y

bizarre take

JaeRell

4y

In all seriousness...Biden nor Bloomberg are running to win.

hot pancakes

4y

Right but the republicans aren’t in the spotlight this time because they have a sitting president.

The same would apply to them if they were in the same position as the democrats.

Arguing policy doesn’t hurt them, that’s my point. They are hardly arguing or presenting or explaining their policies, they are just pandering and attacking each other.

They are literally just saying what they think people want to hear, and then not do anything they are promising.

They are pandering for black and LGBTQ votes, but won’t do anything for those communities lol

Mango

4y

Bernie has the highest floor of support, is leading the polls against primary challengers, is the only one who can win the primary outirght, has the best odds in head-to-head polls with Trump, and has the highest favorability ratings in general, has the best ground game, has the most individual donors, etc etc etc.

vs

Your poll about socialism.

Theory

4y

All in all I just discussed 7 polls and compared against actual results but we’ll ignore that. Yep everything you said sounds good Bernie’s gonna win in a landslide.

Mango

4y

I mean, what would you suggest? We dismantle democracy in an "electability" gambit? That was the argument for Hillary. Compromise principles to lose anyway? You think Mayo Pete and Mini Mike are going to rebuff Trump? Is an abstract political question actually useful in determining election results? Because the ones you cite seem to be in contradiction to them.

I have a hard time buying alleged good faith pragmatism. This doubt is often a last resort maneuver to launder ideological opposition to a pro-labor, pro-M4A candidate.

Theory

4y

OP asked if democrats were setting themselves up for failure. Guy replied with a head to head poll of Bernie beating Trump. I replied citing how the polls were incorrect in determining the electoral college winner and also the swing state winners. I compared those polls to Bernie’s current polling. My main point was to show that head to head polls this far out aren’t usually very accurate, and even if they were 100% accurate, it would reflect the popular vote and not what’s actually needed to win.

I think Bernie, Biden, or the Klob is the DNC’s best shot at winning. Of those three; Bernie may have the best shot. Bloomberg, Pete, and Warren would get destroyed.

But it won’t be an easy election to win and it’s pretty fathomable that Bernie loses worse than Hillary did.

Mango

4y

Biden and Klob are you 2nd and 3rd place? For somebody who enjoys citing polls you don't seem to be paying attention to theirs.

Theory

4y

Gonna clarify real quick that I’m not voting in the primaries and probably won’t in the general and I’m not registered as a democrat. They aren’t my second or third favorite candidates. I’m talking about winning here solely from the perspective of how I think the general population would respond to these people as candidates.

I predicted Trump winning 2016 with 306 electoral votes on KTT1, and I won $100 off that bet, by looking at the polls and using this same line of thinking lol.

Pete won’t get out the black vote and probably would energize the evangelical base for Trump. Bloomberg will fail to energize the progressive wing of the party. Warren will energize the right and only excite the progressives.

So, Biden. Biden would bring out the black vote, wouldn’t energize the republicans nearly as much as the other options, and wouldn’t turn off the progressives nearly as much as Bloomberg (who I think would actually cause progressives to consider voting Trump out of spite).

Klob is pretty uninspiring, but could appeal to moderates without turning off the progressives. She’s probably the weakest of the 3 I picked.

Bernie will get the progressives out in force. But, the 2/3rds poll I mentioned is pretty important. Bernie won this poll by leading with 31% of the democratic vote for preferred primary candidate. Bernie is leading the field because of the moderate vote being split 4 different ways. When the poll asked all voters how they felt about a socialist candidate, 66% opposed it.

Bernie will not win off the 34% of the country that supports socialism, so he will have to appeal to the other 17% in some way. Some will surely like him solely because he isn’t Trump, but will that really be enough?

Theory

4y

Gonna clarify real quick that I’m not voting in the primaries and probably won’t in the general and I’m not registered as a democrat. They aren’t my second or third favorite candidates. I’m talking about winning here solely from the perspective of how I think the general population would respond to these people as candidates.

I predicted Trump winning 2016 with 306 electoral votes on KTT1, and I won $100 off that bet, by looking at the polls and using this same line of thinking lol.

Pete won’t get out the black vote and probably would energize the evangelical base for Trump. Bloomberg will fail to energize the progressive wing of the party. Warren will energize the right and only excite the progressives.

So, Biden. Biden would bring out the black vote, wouldn’t energize the republicans nearly as much as the other options, and wouldn’t turn off the progressives nearly as much as Bloomberg (who I think would actually cause progressives to consider voting Trump out of spite).

Klob is pretty uninspiring, but could appeal to moderates without turning off the progressives. She’s probably the weakest of the 3 I picked.

Bernie will get the progressives out in force. But, the 2/3rds poll I mentioned is pretty important. Bernie won this poll by leading with 31% of the democratic vote for preferred primary candidate. Bernie is leading the field because of the moderate vote being split 4 different ways. When the poll asked all voters how they felt about a socialist candidate, 66% opposed it.

Bernie will not win off the 34% of the country that supports socialism, so he will have to appeal to the other 17% in some way. Some will surely like him solely because he isn’t Trump, but will that really be enough?

The Infinite M

4y

You socialists are okay with the poor getting poorer as long as that means that the rich are less richer.

Sickos

Lou

4y

It’s literally a debate they’re supposed to attack eachother

and Yang lmao. look where that strategy got him

Lou

4y

It’s literally a debate they’re supposed to attack eachother

and Yang lmao. look where that strategy got him

Theory

4y

Gonna clarify real quick that I’m not voting in the primaries and probably won’t in the general and I’m not registered as a democrat. They aren’t my second or third favorite candidates. I’m talking about winning here solely from the perspective of how I think the general population would respond to these people as candidates.

I predicted Trump winning 2016 with 306 electoral votes on KTT1, and I won $100 off that bet, by looking at the polls and using this same line of thinking lol.

Pete won’t get out the black vote and probably would energize the evangelical base for Trump. Bloomberg will fail to energize the progressive wing of the party. Warren will energize the right and only excite the progressives.

So, Biden. Biden would bring out the black vote, wouldn’t energize the republicans nearly as much as the other options, and wouldn’t turn off the progressives nearly as much as Bloomberg (who I think would actually cause progressives to consider voting Trump out of spite).

Klob is pretty uninspiring, but could appeal to moderates without turning off the progressives. She’s probably the weakest of the 3 I picked.

Bernie will get the progressives out in force. But, the 2/3rds poll I mentioned is pretty important. Bernie won this poll by leading with 31% of the democratic vote for preferred primary candidate. Bernie is leading the field because of the moderate vote being split 4 different ways. When the poll asked all voters how they felt about a socialist candidate, 66% opposed it.

Bernie will not win off the 34% of the country that supports socialism, so he will have to appeal to the other 17% in some way. Some will surely like him solely because he isn’t Trump, but will that really be enough?

DickerSpaniel

4y

u good bro ?