We need more AI not less
i know how the s*** works man obviously i was being facetious with the grok part it isn't even used for music.
things like stem splitting for remixes or whatever is fine to me, it still requires using actual effort/soul and music made by actual people. my issue is you guys talking about it like its gonna be the future as if its like autotune or sampling
even doing something like creating AI samples to use is wack to me like there's already an endless supply of music just sitting there to be flipped in multiple different ways.
How are you gonna get in contact with them to clear it let alone how many hours at your job you finna work to pay if they want an up front fee? What if you say f*** clearing it b**** #HipHop50 -is that ethically the same or worst as AI stealing from artists? Do you feel like Roc Westside Gunn Alchemist is lame evil or a thief for not clearing all their samples lol
Because being anti-AI is being close-minded to actual possibilities/benefits that it can have in music, but keep saying AI is all bad, even tho half of the s*** we have today, even the phone functions you're using now has a lot to do with AI.
so answer how it can be used creatively in a non lazy way
How are you gonna get in contact with them to clear it let alone how many hours at your job you finna work to pay if they want an up front fee? What if you say f*** clearing it b**** #HipHop50 -is that ethically the same or worst as AI stealing from artists? Do you feel like Roc Westside Gunn Alchemist is lame evil or a thief for not clearing all their samples lol
i mean personally in a situation like that i feel like as long you credit the artist you sampled, and if you both get compensated for the work done it should be alright. obviously s*** doesnt work like that so idk its out of my hands
i would assume someone like alc with all the notoriety and success he's had, would be able to afford or at the very least, have the label clear the samples but again idk how that s*** goes
My point is you niggas are not seeing past your nose on s*** and it's f***in ridiculous. There's so many possibilities that AI can have towards your music that you guys are just shutting out because of a emotional reaction to something you fear, you don't understand, or what you niggas actually don't try to understand.
A lot of people keep onntalking about Ye, and Timbo's usage of AI.
But don't actually do the f***ing research like @onetwo said and see there's other AI tools outside of generative ones that can be powerful for music.
Stem separation is one, AI mixing and mastering is 2, but now there's another tool where you don't necessarily need AI filters from your fav artists to create songs.
You can actually use AI royalty-free vocalist, manipulate the way it sings, and type in lyrics with various types of pronunciations, and create vocal doubles/harmonies.
That's called Synthesizer V.
It's a Vocaloid that's been around 20 years now, but now it's so advanced that you can get more realistic vocals.
Now it's a easier way to create demos and save money.
AI don't make the people lazy. People who heavily rely on generative AI for everything instead of their own intuition make the people lazy.
People who research, learn the AI tool, and use their creative knowledge are not lazy people.
@sfsorrow
this sorta just goes back to the point user made earlier to me it's really mostly an efficiency/time saving thing. I think the most interesting thing it's brought is how accurate the stem separation has gotten but all of this is just tweaked versions of things that have existed and could be done with other tools. no one's really done a good job of convincing me about the creative artistic potential of it, but also why does it have to be fear/not understanding on our end? the problem is what you're arguing is inches and what the artist teams'/labels are using it for is miles. people have a right to be against it imo because some of it's first immediate mainstream label approved uses are letting people do reference vocals using artist filter and putting it on the finished song. that has terrible potential in the future for the likeness of artists being used, and people have every right to not want that involved in their music
i know how the s*** works man obviously i was being facetious with the grok part it isn't even used for music.
things like stem splitting for remixes or whatever is fine to me, it still requires using actual effort/soul and music made by actual people. my issue is you guys talking about it like its gonna be the future as if its like autotune or sampling
even doing something like creating AI samples to use is wack to me like there's already an endless supply of music just sitting there to be flipped in multiple different ways.
I can understand Generative AI Samples/Vocals like yeah that's pretty corny, but that's just one type of AI that musicians uses.
My thing is that there's multiple types of AI.
Generative AI is something that's not going to fly well with the public at all for the time being.
But non-generative AI in music is definitely become something that's going to be powerful.
this sorta just goes back to the point user made earlier to me it's really mostly an efficiency/time saving thing. I think the most interesting thing it's brought is how accurate the stem separation has gotten but all of this is just tweaked versions of things that have existed and could be done with other tools. no one's really done a good job of convincing me about the creative artistic potential of it, but also why does it have to be fear/not understanding on our end? the problem is what you're arguing is inches and what the artist teams'/labels are using it for is miles. people have a right to be against it imo because some of it's first immediate mainstream label approved uses are letting people do reference vocals using artist filter and putting it on the finished song. that has terrible potential in the future for the likeness of artists being used, and people have every right to not want that involved in their music
People have the right to be against it, but you should also do the research and see that there's plenty of non-generative AI tools in the music space.
Seeing that this thread was made post-carti album, I agree (right click and show controls for sound)
agreed but y’all let it get too far being cool w ghostwriters in the first place
i never liked ghostwriting
How are you gonna get in contact with them to clear it let alone how many hours at your job you finna work to pay if they want an up front fee? What if you say f*** clearing it b**** #HipHop50 -is that ethically the same or worst as AI stealing from artists? Do you feel like Roc Westside Gunn Alchemist is lame evil or a thief for not clearing all their samples lol
This is def a problem with sampling laws/intellectual property rights and is 100% a whataboutism to the AI topic but that's a story for another day
People are defending AI music, the government is being run by a ketamine addicted loser who wasn’t even elected, the guy this site is named after is a nazi and probably a rapist.
We’re living in a dystopia bros
Could be worse
every year we will receive more AI in every part of your civilized urban life
get used to it lol
I think people have lost self respect for themselves if this is what they’re happy with.
Remember when we had standards?
standards of an old world
do you wish to be resilient or prideful of made up limitations
Niggas ain’t paying s*** for music and niggas still claiming they deserve it, f*** you
We are literally paying for a streaming service what are you not getting that we do not pay for the product?
Because op made it from a dishonest place.
Lotta ppl itt that are anti-AI are coming from a dishonest place.
Like I said, I dont f*** with AI overall in an art form at all and only see it as a niche form
Of entertainment. But I can back up and put my money where my mouth is as said artist hence why I’m not fearful of AI either at the moment
Explain how it’s from a dishonest place?
every year we will receive more AI in every part of your civilized urban life
get used to it lol
But why should we get used to it?
But why should we get used to it?
lmfao we already let our food poison us, corporations overwork us and have already let tech make us dependent (infrastructure wise aswell) and advertising get us locked into subscription services everything…. what makes you think AI isn’t about to invade our lives? China and US literally having an AI arms race right now. How else do you think nukes became the main vessel for “peace”?