Chief Julio

3y

There may be some debate about the last chapter but one thing I see a lot about that I think people are missing

People say, "what's the point of killing off 4/5 of the world, they're still at war!" I think we all forgot that the world was planning on smoking Eldians on Paradis and otherwise anyway (refer back to the council they all went to hoping for assistance only for Eren to walk out of when he heard they wanted to kill them off). For him it was a kill or be killed situation, because if they do it Zeke's way they get persecuted and still have no power. Obviously there is no bargaining for peace anymore after what they've already sought to achieve. People still want to retaliate because they hate Eldians and wanted to fight anyway, now the Eldians at least 1) Have a more level playing field fighting humanswith not one centralized military force (other than their own) and 2) Don't have to worry about a world with Titans either, whether it be being eaten by them, becoming them, or only having 13 years to live if they become 1 of the 9\. They want to tell the truth of what really happened and with the knowledge that 1 of the 9 "killed" Eren and ended the Titan curse the world will try to make peace. If that doesn't pan out, they already know what must be done.

Villainous B

3y

Think the point that there is no silver bullet for war was made in the first arc of the story of so. What the rumbling has done has given an opportunity for everyone to sit on roundtable and come to an understanding where they'll go heading forward.

Gojira

3y

amazing ending

DMWR

3y

i think the 80% plan only "makes sense" in that its the only way to get rid of the titan curse (ymir kinda forcing it to be this way) and bc it was predetermined ever since eren saw it. as far as the actual result of it beyond that though, paradis is for sure doomed though and the island will be lucky if it survives another 20 years. paradis does have an upper hand for now, but society at large still vastly outnumbers paradis and they will never forget that literal billions of lives were lost because of them, its only a matter of time before retaliation occurs. peace talks also have no chance of succeeding with the main military force of the island still worshipping the most despicable mass murderer in history, so its extremely idealistic to believe that'll go anywhere. eren did say he wouldnt leave paradis' future to fate so in a way i guess he was right bc they are 100% f\*\*\*ed

if we were to assume that eren had any real choice in what he was doing, almost any alternative wouldve been preferable, even the ones already presented in the story. the 50 year plan that everyone clowned on wouldve been much better at putting paradis on equal grounds with the world (the original rationale against it was that he didnt wanna f\*\*\* over historia, but the 80% plan kinda does that anyways), and if we accept that paradis is doomed regardless, then at least mass sterilization would let them live out their lives in peace. the only thing that cant get solved any other way is the titan curse, which only gets fixed if eren plays the s\*\*\*ty hand that ymir dealt him

olob

3y

there’s not a war yet, Eldia is getting an army ready and are prepared to fight but armin etc are gonna calm them down. Eren also said that the rest of the world would be too crippled to fight eldia even if they still hated them after saving the world so he was still looking out for his people and if he only did a partial rumbling, there would still be Titans and the world would still be terrified of Eldians because of it

Chief Julio

3y

For him to fulfill his promise for his friends to live long lives then the titan curse had to go, I feel like we all agree with that, and for obvious reasons. The 50 years small scale rumbling is great in theory but projecting that far out now for the plan to still be in effect is one thing, along with still kicking the can down the road for future generations to figure out. I honestly believe that euthanization plan was the worst possible outcome because should word get out that Eldians can no longer bear children, they get persecuted to the highest order especially with all the world powers looking to take up arms with them anyway. Again, none of his loved ones are living long lives in this situation with the threat of the titan curse on them as well as the threat of humanity who all wants them dead. While the 80% plan didn't lead to the best resolution just from an ethical standpoint, it at least eliminated the titan curse which was one part of the problem.

The other part, being humanity's view of Eldians in general and not just those on Paradis, would only be handled should they get a decent handle on what Eren REALLY did when he activated the rumbling. It'd still require some deception in that the outside world likely still views Eren as a villain no matter what, with Armin being the real embodiment of Helos. The Eldians however would get the full understanding of their hero and why the survivors who took him down weren't necessarily in the wrong either. Conflict is going to exist regardless, again something we all agree with. Eren just at least entrusted Armin and the others to pick up the pieces the best that they could, whether that be to lead or to continue to fight. As seen by the 3 year skip forward they at least came to an understanding with the Warrior unit and those on Liberio, so who is to say that they couldn't have their voices heard on a larger scale?

DMWR

3y

i do agree with you that the titan curse had to go somehow, but with the 80% plan that eren was forced onto, it felt almost like the cons outweighed the pros, and im not sure that the eren we knew would have done it if it wasnt already predetermined. i guess another reason why this ending kinda rubbed me the wrong way is that the story was forced to go on rails to reach this outcome and sorta minimizes the theme of human choices. i also do half-agree with your assessment of the euthanization plan, overall its a cruel idea and eldians outside the island would be completely f\*\*\*ed (considering zeke probably came up with this plan with them in mind, he a dumbass for thinking this would work LOL) but i feel like since paradis still has titans the world would probably not bother to go risk poking that nest if theyre just gonna die out anyways. with the 50 year plan i agree that the 50 year plan does just pass down a lot of uncertainty to future generations, which is why i was hopeful for AOT to maybe end on something that "keeps the children out the forest" to some effect, but the 80% plan just has Eren passing on certain defeat to them anyways

as far as how things from here out go, im thinking that the warriors are tolerated, maybe even celebrated for being the new tyburs, and maybe that mercy will extend to other eldians off the island, but i still believe coming to an understanding with paradis or eren's actions is an idealistic pipe dream. if this ending was written a little different, it could work, but with 80% of the population wiped out i think that just goes out the window and no one will wanna hear it - i just generally have a huge problem with the tonal dissonance of 139 and how it doesnt seem to treat that level of destruction with the impact that it should have. overall i do like the idea that the cycle of conflict couldnt be ended so easily, but with the messaging and dynamics we're left with i think the execution was fumbled. hell, maybe in the future we'd be likely to see armin's descendant go full tybur do the whole "declaration of war" against yeagerist devils if paradis is still around that long

fatherallah

3y

but he DID only do a partial rumbling. and war is inevitable and will happen eventually. it is stated “this fight won’t end until one side disappears”

Chief Julio

3y

I liked reading your perspective on this really. I'm one of the ones who feel like while the ending wasn't perfect it at least made sense to me so I like having discussions with those who might see it from the other side of coin, and we did have a lot of common ground to fall back on. Honestly it's refreshing to have a healthy debate at all without it devolving into a shouting match or people just throwing insults because they have a difference of opinion.

Super Mario

3y

still cant believe that some people still think the Eren X Mikasa romance was a last minute decision.

Isayama already drew (incognito) a love scene between them in 2015 with details that only he knew at this time, like mikasas arm wrist. This mf the biggest EreMika stan

Chief Julio

3y

For him to fulfill his promise for his friends to live long lives then the titan curse had to go, I feel like we all agree with that, and for obvious reasons. The 50 years small scale rumbling is great in theory but projecting that far out now for the plan to still be in effect is one thing, along with still kicking the can down the road for future generations to figure out. I honestly believe that euthanization plan was the worst possible outcome because should word get out that Eldians can no longer bear children, they get persecuted to the highest order especially with all the world powers looking to take up arms with them anyway. Again, none of his loved ones are living long lives in this situation with the threat of the titan curse on them as well as the threat of humanity who all wants them dead. While the 80% plan didn't lead to the best resolution just from an ethical standpoint, it at least eliminated the titan curse which was one part of the problem.

The other part, being humanity's view of Eldians in general and not just those on Paradis, would only be handled should they get a decent handle on what Eren REALLY did when he activated the rumbling. It'd still require some deception in that the outside world likely still views Eren as a villain no matter what, with Armin being the real embodiment of Helos. The Eldians however would get the full understanding of their hero and why the survivors who took him down weren't necessarily in the wrong either. Conflict is going to exist regardless, again something we all agree with. Eren just at least entrusted Armin and the others to pick up the pieces the best that they could, whether that be to lead or to continue to fight. As seen by the 3 year skip forward they at least came to an understanding with the Warrior unit and those on Liberio, so who is to say that they couldn't have their voices heard on a larger scale?

ALPHABEAR

3y

That new rework of 139 come out yet?

Jonz

3y

Mfs rlly out here watching dub

Schwarz Bruder

5y

Eren is progressively becoming one of the best written protagonists in manga history. What a transformation!

Nine Arts Dragon

3y

Dub mid but that Erwins last charge in english is pretty f***ing good. Though that scene is so amazing literally any dub would be instantly good