Bruh the fact that I thought she hadn’t experienced S3-4 was something that was EATING away at my brain. Idc if she hasn’t read the manga, I won’t spoil it for her, but this..

I feel like I’m finally able to breathe bro.

She knows the truth of Eldia & Marley at least.

The thing is he did have a chance to do it differently

dont miss your chance like eren

Lmao do you not see how f\*\*\*ed it is that the world was content in massacring and abusing eren’s people, probably forever but the second one of them got the power to turn the tables we talking about “existential crises”

I have no desire to excuse eren’s actions, he’s not a hero he’s a victim but this world got what it deserved. If you can justify genocide for one side then you gotta accept it’s a solution that’s on the table for everyone else too bc they all look to the “other” group as the issue. What does eren know besides the destruction of people?

i think the issue regarding that primarily stems from isayama's negligence in attempting to define or ground paths as a concept as it was becoming relevant. there's no logical way to explain certain aspects that would inevitably be considered plot holes otherwise. the whole "going with fate" thing was likely an oversight that he didn't consider within the context of aot's message. it kinda makes me reassess the quality of the story's plotting in general.

in regards to the whole 'love' stuff and how it contributes to the thematic execution, i can almost see what isayama tried to pull off, but its so sloppy that it makes it really obvious mikasa was shoehorned into the plot at the last minute. that whole thing about ymir waiting for someone was heavily implied to be eren since he mentions that she led him there and held her as she broke out in tears. there's nothing to substantiate the idea that this was the set up to a mikasa plot twist as he addresses this by lampshading. even when you look passed that, the parallels between eren/mikasa and king fritz/ymir make absolutely no sense with the reveal that the ackermond bond was fake + she's not freeing herself from anything seeing as the only depiction of mikasa after the war is of her still being consumed by her feelings for eren. i cant see this as anything other than a fan service ending for people who cared about their ships more than the actual plot. romance is not a subject that was heavily explored in the series whether or not you can catch glimpses of it here and there. not to mention the way ymir's stockholm syndrome was simply framed as 'love' was absurd and uncharacteristic of isayama's otherwise nuanced writing. it just isn't an appropriate way to characterize the conflict or dictate the direction of the ending.

yeah the whole ymir/mikasa parallel was ridiculous from the jump and it just gets worse the more you think about it. they are only connected through very vague "symbolic" ways for lack of a better term, but if that's the case, why ymir had to wait 2000 years for specifically eremika and not any other love-related conflict in human history boils down to nothing but plot contrivance / "only ymir knows". saw someone make a good point that zeke and grisha's reconciliation in paths was a far more powerful display of love (https://twitter.com/GhostofKruger/status/1382332094806945800) but ymir basically didn't even process this. and not only are these twists absurd, the fact that we dont even get to see it from ymir herself and only find out through eren's exposition vomit makes it doubly bad, it does bring into question whether this was a literal last minute addition. overall just an irresponsible way to handle a very loaded theme (among other themes too tbh)

i do agree that fanservice seems like the big motivator, and it seems to be working with the right audiences, but post-timeskip eren also treated mikasa like utter dogshit and its weird to see it all romanticized in retrospect, with the genocide of 80% of the global population being handwaved to focus on shipping wars. with all the debates and discussions ive seen dominating aot discourse online, youd think that this was always a shojo romance manga.

edit: actually another thing ive seen thrown around that could be possible as to why fate and love became so prevalent is that these mechanisms were used to try and redeem eren in a last minute decision. maybe isayama or his editors thought itd be too f\*\*\*ed up to have the MC of a popular shonen be a genocidal villain by choice so they offloaded the moral responsibility to fate and presented it as something rosy done in the name of love. i dont think i even need to go into how wrong this feels if it were true

But if I msg her now, randomly regarding AoT - she’ll know I was snooping her IG

I’m thinking of waiting til they release the trailer for the 2nd part of S4, and I’ll send her a link to that

You doing the most lmao

Eren hardly cared for his people, the Eldians that actually suffered were also due getting trampled, don't think the idea he did for his people really holds when he literally had one of the best upbringings of any Eldian in the entire story up until the first attack on Shiganshina
And it's not like he didn't have options, when Willy Tybur has the world's attention he goes about massacring a city of Eldians, forcing his own friends to reluctantly become war criminals, and getting Sasha killed.
The first thing the rumbling does is literally wipeout the world navy, then he proceeds to kill people who have no say in the matter for more or less the rest of the rumbling. It's not that there weren't other options, Eren just didn't care for them despite everyone but Falco and Historia actually giving them different options going forwards.

What did Ramzi ever do wrong apart from knocking over his cup

Should have just kept the love platonic, in the end. making it a romantic love made it feel cheap. As well as Ymir loving King Fritz, don't think we're given any sort of resolution to that conflict nor it's just put in there at the last minute and quickly resolved without really giving any clue how it's resolved. Ymir's arc might as well have ended the moment she defied Zeke

Haven’t read since last August. Maybe I’ll binge read this week

So how I look at it eren is psychological broken for multiple reasons including what the world inflicted on his people. The rumbling is a direct result of the conditions of the world already, maybe moreso than Eren’s own agency

There’s a lot I want to say about the time loopiness of the attack titan and the effect it probably had on eren’s mind and capability to even believe in his own free will but I’m way too high

I found Eren's character change in season 4 to be very intriguing. I hope it all wraps up nicely in part 2.
Also, for those who read the manga, does Anne wake up and what becomes of YBN Ymir ?

Me personally I'm not even reading the last chapter

I'ma leave that for the final season

Why ask spoiler questions when ya can read it

I feel like Erwin would’ve talked him down to a mini rumbling.

Like, sure - “destroy they ships, but chill on the whole genocide s\*\*\*”

Even Yelena said, that’d get the job done.

Also yo, they adding content or redoing the last chp?

probably adding like 5-6 panels

tiktok.com/@​noeliackerman/video/6948789871154695430?lang=de-DE&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
(ending spoilers)

Feel like it will leave a better feeling in the anime

na that’s a good point. Eren even expresses that in how he says to Armin that he doesn’t even know what time he’s in from moment to moment. hard to imagine the real life effects of something like that to one’s psyche, but it would likely be awful.

YBN Ymir

There may be some debate about the last chapter but one thing I see a lot about that I think people are missing

People say, "what's the point of killing off 4/5 of the world, they're still at war!" I think we all forgot that the world was planning on smoking Eldians on Paradis and otherwise anyway (refer back to the council they all went to hoping for assistance only for Eren to walk out of when he heard they wanted to kill them off). For him it was a kill or be killed situation, because if they do it Zeke's way they get persecuted and still have no power. Obviously there is no bargaining for peace anymore after what they've already sought to achieve. People still want to retaliate because they hate Eldians and wanted to fight anyway, now the Eldians at least 1) Have a more level playing field fighting humanswith not one centralized military force (other than their own) and 2) Don't have to worry about a world with Titans either, whether it be being eaten by them, becoming them, or only having 13 years to live if they become 1 of the 9\. They want to tell the truth of what really happened and with the knowledge that 1 of the 9 "killed" Eren and ended the Titan curse the world will try to make peace. If that doesn't pan out, they already know what must be done.