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    Nah isayama changed the dialogues too much he made that s*** kindergarten level so dumb redditors would get the message smh!!!

  • Nov 5, 2023

    Im sad that 134 and 137 werent up to par with the manga, but it was great episode overall. Will post more later but i loved it and got emotional too, aot is finally over

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    Slutdog

    See what I mean. You defend plot points that get discarded and never built upon. You're the opposite of the people that passionately hate the ending, you passionately defend it on every front. Was there anything you didn't like about the ending?

    I didn't like that everyone who turned into a titan from the gas at the end survived with plot armor.

    I liked the ending I don't know what other ending I would have wanted. I know I just didn't want Eren to finish the rumbling

    Other than that I don't know how to solve most of other people's complaints without writing more chapters behind 139

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    Also already noted it but im torn on the additional dialogue in armin and eren's convo. If you had more than 2 synapses in your brain and no biases everything yams added was pretty clear already from the overall message of the story, the realtionship between these 2 characters and the characters themselves, but at least people who lack these 2 synapses will get the message now hopefully.

    ALSO LFG WE KNOW WHAT YELENA IS UP TO NOW CANT BELIEVE HE FORGOT HER ASS IN THR MANGA

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    I do like the way he went about correcting the problematic part. The overall spirit is the same - supporting your life long friend in his final, most vulnerable moments after he poured his heart out to you, but still condemning all his actions and never forgiving them - but the execution is for sure better.

  • Nov 5, 2023

    Goddamn that baby shot was beautiful

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    Eren killed too many people and for some reason they managed to portray him as a hero, it's crazy and makes no sense imo

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    Stardust

    Also already noted it but im torn on the additional dialogue in armin and eren's convo. If you had more than 2 synapses in your brain and no biases everything yams added was pretty clear already from the overall message of the story, the realtionship between these 2 characters and the characters themselves, but at least people who lack these 2 synapses will get the message now hopefully.

    ALSO LFG WE KNOW WHAT YELENA IS UP TO NOW CANT BELIEVE HE FORGOT HER ASS IN THR MANGA

    I still need to watch the sub but it’s that bad?

    Edit: Watched the sub and I think for the most part the changes are good. Some could’ve been left more ambiguous though but I like that it was more accountability and expression in this conversation

  • Nov 5, 2023

    I thought it was a good ending

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    HURRY UP TWO

    it was never implied to be Eren’s. The fandom just theorized it to be Eren’s and ignored the fact that they out right say who the baby daddy is from the beginning. Another case in this fandom where people stick with their expectations and dismiss reality

    Nah i think that whole plot was just not handled well. Cuz really why did eren even tell historia his plan? what do either of them gain from that conversation? What was the point of the "what do you think about me having a baby" line

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    Stardust

    Nah isayama changed the dialogues too much he made that s*** kindergarten level so dumb redditors would get the message smh!!!

    Been years since I read it, what got changed?

  • Nov 5, 2023

    when they said they'll be waiting for each other in hell that was satisfying as f***

  • Nov 5, 2023
    MrMudManMood

    Been years since I read it, what got changed?

    added much needed dialogue to chapter 139. Still not perfect but it was much better then what was said before

  • Nov 5, 2023
    Slutdog

    Ok... let's get into it then.

    Why the f\*\*\* are the past titan holders fighting to save Marley? Especially Kruger. The alliance has some of the most insane plot armor I've seen in awhile as well. Literally unlimited ammo at some points. Also when did Eren ever care about Mikasa in that way? Yelling s\*\*\* like I don't wanna see her with another man?? Really?? All that last-minute fan service shipping garbage is weak. Also how Armin was vehemently against the rumbling than says "Thank you for committing genocide for our sake". Completely out of character. Don't even get me started with the time travel s\*\*\* where we learn Eren was responsible for the death of his mother. If that's the case, then why not change more things in the past??? Also Eren supposedly having foreseen his defeat and working towards an end point where it isn’t completed knowing it won’t be completed since the medal ceremony doesn’t make any sense with neither his stated intentions nor internal thoughts where he clearly gives the impression that he will complete the Rumbling. S\*\*\* makes no sense. This is just some off the top of my head

    I wont spoiler tag since the ending is out, if you're ITT and havent watched it yet its not my fault, i'll even give a warning.

    SPOILERS!!!
    I think the only past titan holder who'd have the least reasons to fight the founder is false ymir actually. Why wouldnt Kruger fight against a global omnicide? He hates Marley, not literally the entire world, plants and animals included. Grisha was chosen by Kruger himself as his successor and was so scared of the rumbling he begged zeke to stop it, so i cant see why Kruger would feel any different. And false ymir could be doing it because she was indebted to marcel, porco and reiner, after all she gave herself up to them because she felt guilt. And im disregarding the fact that its not 100% their conscious selves acting, after all they dont speak and have barred out eyes.

    I think your criticism of the battle itself is fair, i myself have considered 135-136 to be a one piece fight - lots of meat, no substance, nobody dies, hundreds of parties involved that best the s*** out of eachother but there's no pathos - but whether the fight is that important to consider the whole ending and subsequently the whole story lesser is up to you. This series also has a long history of plot armor (admitted by the author too - levi was supposed to die at one point, hange was supposed to die in RTS, mikasa herself is plot armor since shes the strongest by far, iirc Jean was supposed to die too at some point) and imo has enough deaths that this fight lacking in that isnt the end of the world. But again, up to personal preference.

    I think people liked the false, chad eren so much that they forgot hes always been a childish, annoying, immature idiot, in fact isayama stated in an interview he was happy to draw eren's breakdown over mikasa because he could finally draw the eren he always knew. Thats who eren Is. Hes an immature teenager, that hid his feelings for mikasa because thats what some teenagers do. Its not like there werent instances where, in retrospect, youd see eren has feelings for mikasa, or at the very least cares a lot for her, like when he first awakened the founding powers accidentally (yams wanted originally for them to kiss but its a shonen manga so he was prevented from doing so at that stage at least), the train scene, the question in liberio, in the manga he also has instances hes worried for her. You could argue that well, their somewhat sibilings, of course hed care for her, but i used "in retrospect" on purpose because it was supposed to be a sort of revelation. Armin acts surprised too, asking him why did he keep rejecting her if he loved her in the first place, so not even he was aware of eren's feelings. They're teenagers with impossible responsibilities who went through hell their whole life, but still teenagers. The whole shipping stuff comes down ultimately to taste and is no writing fault of the story in and of itself so i wont cover it. Im not against love stories, hell berserk and Devilman for example feature it in a much more prevalent way id argue, and they're more gruesome stories that dont lose meaning or complexity because of It.

    Armin "thanking eren for commiting genocide" is admittedly an actual criticism, even isayama agrees which is why he rewrote that entirely, but i cant help but feel much of the hate is in bad faith, a need for an actual criticism that weighs down the work that makes people judge that sequence without any context about the work, the characters and the situation. Yes, its worded horribly, but you cant seriously think isayama and armin are genocide apologists, we all can read the story and the various interviews Isayama has given, admitting to that means disregarding the meaning of the story or just failing to understand what the message of the story is. Again, the execution is horrible, everyone agrees, but the intent is clear to anyone with a rational mind. Armin wanted to comfort his friend and chastise his actions, but yams lacked the tact to write it in a respectful manner.

    I never understood the hate for the dina and carla "plot twist" - its clear that its supposed to show how the founding powers are godlike and that every normal human would crumble and lose their sanity over the power to control past, present and future simultaneously - there's a reason in many stories having so much knowledge in your brain drives characters to insanity and death, there's some truth to that!
    Attack on titan has a fixed timeline, thus everything that happens in the story is set in stone and had to happen, there are no alternate universes. So dina had to eat Carla no matter what. But titans go after the closest human in their vicinity, unless instructed not to. In dina's case, It was bertholdt. But bertholdt had to live to set off the story, so eren had to move dina somewhere else. In doing so he had to send her to dina. He blames himself for it, but the tragedy is he had no choice, because it had to happen. This serves to drive home in a more tragic manner how eren has never and will never be free, always a slave to his fate and his nature.
    This should answer your final question too, if i have understood it correctly, cause frankly i cant figure out exactly what you're trying to say.

    Sorry for the wall of text, hopefully there arent too many errors and that i made myself clear enough, cause aot can be a b**** to discuss

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    I still need to watch the sub but it’s that bad?

    Edit: Watched the sub and I think for the most part the changes are good. Some could’ve been left more ambiguous though but I like that it was more accountability and expression in this conversation

    Its not bad, it just removes most of the nuances of the dialogues, everything is spelled out. Eren literally says hes a slave to freedom, like word for word. At least there can be no misconceptions anymore (HOPEFULLY!) but it makes everything less compelling as a result, which to me is a bummer. At least theres the manga. The best parts of manga 139 and the best parts of anime 139 would make a 9/10 chapter/episode tho imo

  • Nov 5, 2023
    MrMudManMood

    Been years since I read it, what got changed?

    There's some added dialogue that clears up some of the misconceptions of the message of the story, and also the whole Armin genocide talk got changed to be more condemning of eren's actions, in a clever way tho i must say

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    Gloseph

    Nah i think that whole plot was just not handled well. Cuz really why did eren even tell historia his plan? what do either of them gain from that conversation? What was the point of the "what do you think about me having a baby" line

    He did because he wanted to convince her not to sacrifice her bloodline for the partial rumbling plan. Eren is selfish, he wants his friends to live a good life, no matter the sacrifice. And the part about having a baby is historia protecting herself from being given the serum before eren's rumbling happens, because until she gives birth it would be too dangerous to transform her to a titan. And nothing in that dialogue implies historia wanted to have a baby with eren, i dont know why people wanted this to happen so bad.

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    Nah i think that whole plot was just not handled well. Cuz really why did eren even tell historia his plan? what do either of them gain from that conversation? What was the point of the "what do you think about me having a baby" line

    he told her the plan because at that point she was the first option to be used for the rumbling. They hadn’t even got Zeke from the forest at that point and Eren didn’t know exactly how he would cause the rumbling just that it was going to happen.

    At the same time Eren cared for Historia as a friend and someone that helped him at his lowest and didn’t agree with the plans that the Military proposed and they were running out of time with Marley taking action. Plus she is the ruler of the walls.

    Historia is the one that came up with the plan to get pregnant to help Eren buy time to execute his plan instead of having to be turned into a titan making machine and shortening her life, losing her freedom. Which Eren was not okay with.

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    Stardust

    He did because he wanted to convince her not to sacrifice her bloodline for the partial rumbling plan. Eren is selfish, he wants his friends to live a good life, no matter the sacrifice. And the part about having a baby is historia protecting herself from being given the serum before eren's rumbling happens, because until she gives birth it would be too dangerous to transform her to a titan. And nothing in that dialogue implies historia wanted to have a baby with eren, i dont know why people wanted this to happen so bad.

    Headcanon lol pure headcanon it’s all in the context yet headcanon got people upset

  • Nov 5, 2023

    This get a different ending than the manga?

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    HURRY UP TWO

    Headcanon lol pure headcanon it’s all in the context yet headcanon got people upset

    Yeah its so clear to me people who hate the ending mostly were too attached to their own version of aot they got in their heads. Like im sorry if i sound condescending but your version of the story isnt necessarily better because its yours, learn to judge a story for what It is!!!
    Cant believe aot is one of the only series this even has to be said, but i guess when your popularity somewhat depends on mystery and theorycrafting, its only natural the diehards get obsessive to that point.

  • Nov 5, 2023

    What a story...

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    Stardust

    I do like the way he went about correcting the problematic part. The overall spirit is the same - supporting your life long friend in his final, most vulnerable moments after he poured his heart out to you, but still condemning all his actions and never forgiving them - but the execution is for sure better.

    Also liked how they framed the Stockholm syndrome much better as obsession instead of pure love

  • Nov 5, 2023

    I loved the scene where eren grabs the hair and teeth covered in blood, with armin grabbing the conch shell instead, showing the difference in their philosophies and personalities, and also calling back to the sea scene. That was a fantastic addition

  • Nov 5, 2023
    ragedsycokiller

    Also liked how they framed the Stockholm syndrome much better as obsession instead of pure love

    Wasnt that in the manga too, in the additional pages for the volume release? I assume you're talking about the mikasa and adult ymir scene