I dont know a single person whos mind is not made up, I cant remember the last time I even saw a person online claim that, this entire thread is people with made up minds

its all straight tribal or people not voting. I remember the obama elections, theyre not comparable. there is nothing at this point keeping someone "not sure"

the closest we have in any level of numbers that would sway anything is the people thinking biden vs third party (like west) or trump vs kennedy. Neither populations fall under moderate

I noticed quite a few Hispanics and Middle Easterners in my area supporting Trump.

Very funny given Trump's record with them both.

This is historically known honestly, deep cultural reasons

I've known a lot as well since 2016, and theres some interesting stuff about it with an interviewed immigrant in the border crisis channel 5 vid recently

he’s getting my illegal vote

Just because you don’t know them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I knew people who were Dems but considered staying home when it was Hillary. The idea that votes can’t be won is absurd.

the fact that dems are pretty much in the same predicament as they were in 16 and havent learned a damn thing from that is the most hilarious and sad s***

What’s even funnier is if they had just run Biden in ‘16 neither would’ve been an issue

you can just look up the numbers and compare lol. Yeah a lot did that, 8 years ago, before trump was even president and wasnt seen as more than a meme for a lot. If you think it's the same today, I don't know what to tell you. Im not basing this take off of people I know alone, this is a full phenomenon thats been really clear cut if you watched it in real life, we dont have people pissed about bernie having to decide if they vote trump or sit it out like that.

its clear im not changing your mind so we can agree to disagree ig, you definitely arent convincing me lol

i mean I do actually agree with you that tribalism is pervasive but saying that enacting policies can't win over voters is too far. FWIW I personally am not a tribal voter

What? That's a huge leap from saying "moderate" in 2016 or 2012 is still a heavy or important faction in 2024, we can just agree to disagree instead of derail into other discussions my man

idt we disagreeing that much but aight

S*** is more expensive and lowkey it’s not any deeper than that

Trump said black people resonate with him because he got a mugshot.

To me, that seems racist.

It’s sad, knowing full well the Black American struggle and all the civil rights leaders who done the work to even give us the rights we have in the first place.

Now these Trump right wing niggas wanna throw that away.

It’s an embarrassment really

Simpl6 put, ignorance and the lack of nuance, critical thinking skills, etc. Joe terrible = Trump good to people like this.

Because he’s gonna MAGA

Cus Biden isn’t compelling. Blame the Democrats for having such a weak representation

Trump racist?

No way, he’s done more for black people than Abraham Lincoln!