Lol in the last thread I even said that his rapping style is built on standard 90's boom bap in its core, which limits him to being a niche artist, and he said I'm "lying"

It's facts tho

Right lol I feel like if you haven’t heard every Jay Z and Biggie song then you can’t even listen to Jay Elec

"Remember Rappin Duke? Duh-ha, duh-ha
You never thought we'd make it to Lā 'ilāha 'illā Allah"

Pac could never encapsulate the full spectrum of human emotion like this

There's a reason why Kendrick is an all time icon in music like Elvis while Jay makes music for 300 dudes in a Discord server

you ain’t even have to call him a Discord rapper but it’s true

What growth did he even show from Act 2 to AWT? It was just a diet more preachy version of the former. Kendrick reinvents his sound on every album

Its funny how a few weeks ago Jay Electronica was a fraud an now he's a messiah. Being saying that he was great. But bars for bars he is not as good as a Lupe, a Jay Z or a Eminem. Plus he is pretty limited over subject matter, songs on Act II are so repetitive...

I get what op is saying, but you gotta stop the “bar for bar” s*** and just elevate him to a higher space tbh.

Like you said it’s about his emotion, aura, delivery. It’s not really about rap. He is one of the greatest recording artists period, despite his limitations.

Some people just have the magic.

If u put those 4 on a track jay e could have the best verse. Easily.

You take 10 years off doing something and see how much growth you show

Easily? Have you even heard AWT?

If Lupe raps like he did on "King Nas" it's over..

You do realize he didnt objectively even had the best verse on control? You realize that Jay Z had the best verses on AWT except for A.P.I.D.T.A

Well Hov didn't have a verse on APIDTA

He only did the hook

You trippin if you think Earl wouldn't smoke Jay E on a track in 2020.. Mach could do it too..

Did you still feel that magic throughout AWT?

Well there you go.

I hate that OP is making me hate on Jay Elec because I’m a huge fan. He’s an acceptable person to pick as your personal GOAT but you can’t try to make it objective like this. There’s nothing that you can point to that objectively backs up your points, it’s an opinion you have that his art is better than others. Everyone who disagrees (most people) aren’t wrong and you looking odd to even feel that way. Art ain’t even objective and there ain’t no “best” in music anyway. You just like it or don’t

If DaBaby raps like on that Dreamville song he lowkey catching a body on Jay

The GOAT ain’t getting outrapped by Big Sean

Anyone could have the best verse on a song.. sometimes making the song that lets a certain feature shine is actually more challenging

Jay e had a great last verse on control. Kendrick just had the shock value and name dropped everyone. That doesn't mean jay didnt come with the fire

Jay doesn't have many guest features to begin with. Just cuz his verse ain't the best every track you gonna talk s***? Lol

I just listened to a posse cut where Nas had like the 3rd-4th best verse. S*** happens. And jay e doesn't strike me as a guy that rewrites his s*** if he hears someone else's verse. Dude just chills

throw the whole site away

Now I know you just talking s***

Even the youtube comment section wouldn't say big Sean out rapped jay on that song

And I bet big sean rewrote his s*** too