Genius Idiot

5y

popularity =/= skill, youre arguing two diff points

but even then, look at sales and streams and compare them, youre completely wrong there too. way more ppl still listen to em

Tribe

5y

Reminder this insecure c***started beef with him cause his mid album got four mics and blamed it on his race

DAVIDP

5y

The white girl is Lana Rhoades, "retired" p*** star, she's 25. Kid laroi was 16 in this video. Isn't that pretty f***ing weird?

Genius Idiot

5y

Neither you nor NBA believe that

DonutHole

5y

Eminem has a legion of fans that openly admit they don't f with rappers outside of em and maybe tech nine/hopsin/yelawolf...

Why are we counting them in a hip hop culture discussion

that's like expecting barbz to be in tune with hip hop (most of them aren't)

Tribe

5y

Reminder this insecure c***started beef with him cause his mid album got four mics and blamed it on his race

SHAQUILLE

5y

I do. The culture isn’t listening to eminem in 2020. Meanwhile NBA YB got the youth on lock. Legitimately one of the best teenage rappers of all time with Nas and chief keef.

If you disagree you’re out of touch. period

Manz

5y

MTBMB A/B out now

Definitely Maybe

5y

The Marshall Mathers LP got 2 mics at first. They changed it to 4 later on.

Tribe

5y

Referring to TES

DonutHole

5y

Eminem has a legion of fans that openly admit they don't f with rappers outside of em and maybe tech nine/hopsin/yelawolf...

Why are we counting them in a hip hop culture discussion

that's like expecting barbz to be in tune with hip hop (most of them aren't)

Red Stone Mask

5y

i think that age of consent is at least 16 but im just going to shut the hell up

DonutHole

5y

all of em

Eminem: Because black girls are dumb and white girls are good chicks

The girl doesn't exists either

• people that went to high school with em said he was always with kim,

• em said himself in a Howard stern interview he was always with kim and went to a predominantly white high school

• the description of that girl doesn't fit what black girls from that era looked like :description from the song "yellow brick road"

there was this black girl...
And oh the irony guess what her name was ain't even goin' say it plus
The same color hair as hers was and blue contacts

He's hinting at a black girl with blonde hair (wig or maybe natural ) and blue eye contacts with possibly the same name :kim,

yeah right

he hides the name cuz he would've been caught in the lie easily

All we have to do is get a yearbook and see there was no such black girl at his school... + alot of black women who lived the 80s spoke out saying no one did that in the 80s (wearing blue eye contacts)

That girl would've stood out to the point people would've remembered her but no....

• no person let alone a black girl has ever came forward to corroborate his story

• there aren't even rumors/speculation of who that girl may be (yeah I think it was such and such) nor rumors of em paying her to shut up

• SHE DOESN'T EXIST

-what most likely happened :

• eminem according to his close friend at the time ("chaos kid" was in the rap group "soul intent" with Eminem and featured in the source magazine exposing eminem's racist tapes)
  
  the rap group soul intent in the front ^

Said they used to-do racist rap hours

• rumors exist about eminem having said even more racist s*** on tape (calling black people porch monkeys, moon crickets etc.

Eminem freestyle : "I don't like that nword s***, I'm just here to make a bigger hit"

Ps: the * n-word s*** freestyle is apparently from 1995
The ole foolish pride* freestyle is listed as being recorded in 1990 on genius.com

Eminem would've been 22 and 17 years old (respectively)

In his initial apology he states it was a stupid act from when he was 16.... The lies that man tells...

DonutHole

5y

all of em

Eminem: Because black girls are dumb and white girls are good chicks

The girl doesn't exists either

• people that went to high school with em said he was always with kim,

• em said himself in a Howard stern interview he was always with kim and went to a predominantly white high school

• the description of that girl doesn't fit what black girls from that era looked like :description from the song "yellow brick road"

there was this black girl...
And oh the irony guess what her name was ain't even goin' say it plus
The same color hair as hers was and blue contacts

He's hinting at a black girl with blonde hair (wig or maybe natural ) and blue eye contacts with possibly the same name :kim,

yeah right

he hides the name cuz he would've been caught in the lie easily

All we have to do is get a yearbook and see there was no such black girl at his school... + alot of black women who lived the 80s spoke out saying no one did that in the 80s (wearing blue eye contacts)

That girl would've stood out to the point people would've remembered her but no....

• no person let alone a black girl has ever came forward to corroborate his story

• there aren't even rumors/speculation of who that girl may be (yeah I think it was such and such) nor rumors of em paying her to shut up

• SHE DOESN'T EXIST

-what most likely happened :

• eminem according to his close friend at the time ("chaos kid" was in the rap group "soul intent" with Eminem and featured in the source magazine exposing eminem's racist tapes)
  
  the rap group soul intent in the front ^

Said they used to-do racist rap hours

• rumors exist about eminem having said even more racist s*** on tape (calling black people porch monkeys, moon crickets etc.

Eminem freestyle : "I don't like that nword s***, I'm just here to make a bigger hit"

Ps: the * n-word s*** freestyle is apparently from 1995
The ole foolish pride* freestyle is listed as being recorded in 1990 on genius.com

Eminem would've been 22 and 17 years old (respectively)

In his initial apology he states it was a stupid act from when he was 16.... The lies that man tells...

Baby Goat

5y

I've read it all and gotta appreciate the effort you put into this but besides a random guy on a eminem forum i can't seem to find anything online to back it up. Instead found this MTV article which says the exact opposite of somethings said in there in regards to Chaos Kid's claims.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1484614/eminem-a-racist-sources-source-chaos-kid-says-no-way/

"I am forced at this point to recognize that there are obviously some ulterior motives/personal hang-ups/political/racial agendas going on behind the scenes at The Source and this is making it impossible for you to present the issue of these tapes in a true light that would give a full spectrum of perspective."
....Chaos explains that the freestyles were called "Suckerin' Rhymes," and that they were intentionally misguided. He says their purpose was to be as "goofy/stupid/ignorant/wack as possible." He accuses The Source of making some factual errors in its reporting and failing to give his quotes proper context.
He writes of his personal experiences with Eminem during that time and says that the famous rapper never used the N-word or "any other derogatory names or made any derogatory remarks about African-Americans in casual conversation with me. In fact, we personally had conversations talking about how we hated racism and racists and both had real songs denouncing racism!!".

About the girl, well i can't find an yearbook photo of the school in 89 or wtv. Only a pic of Em's class but that is pretty much inconclusive. Hell, not even a picture of Kim can be found around that time

Again tho, i'm not excusing the tapes. Just saying that what is said on that forum should be taken with a grain of salt. As well as what Em said on yellow brick road (Since there are no evidence as well), so it's understandable how you would be sceptical about it

SylIables

5y

Saying Em never had a black gf because you can’t find proof is weird af lol it’s all assumptions to back up your hatred.
How down bad you have to be to write this much about a person you don’t like

Danhust

5y

Someone even posted that Royce never met her lmao Royce met Em years after the tapes were even made. How the f*** would he know?

DonutHole

5y

Royce recently couldn't back up the claim she existed and royce defends em like he's on payroll yet admitted he can't say if that was real

We know kim exists since she has done interviews, was married to em

I even remember a Howard's stern interview in which a white girl called in and said "hey we went to high school together but I couldn't get to you cuz you were always with kim" em laughed and agreed
How is he always with kim but also stopped dating her to get with a black girl for a week, that didn't look like any other black girl from that era (stood out) yet no one can corroborate she existed???

My suspicions about em's story always will remain since I have no evidence that she existed despite Eminem making a song about it- his verse is the only "proof" we have of her.

Thanks for linking that chaos kid letter but I do remember reading that and thought nothing of it after asking myself questions :

Why didn't eminem just say that these where silly freestyles?

His first pr apology was about not taking his views srsly as a teenager

The tape ... was something I made out of anger, stupidity and frustration when I was a teenager. I'd just broken up with my girlfriend, who was African American, and I reacted like the angry, stupid kid I was. I hope people will take it for the foolishness that it was, not for what somebody is trying to make it into today."

Source

Let's go with chaos kid letters narrative : if it is a freestyle (which to me was pretty apperent) it's still a racist sentiment imo

He went from saying black people are his brotha and sista to "black girls are dumb blablabla"

No that's not a political stance, that's not you being goofy or calling out whack people/opinions

It's clear he was being racist imo, naturally at that since it's a freestyle.

Furthermore, if kid chaos had these racist tapes where are the other tapes that aren't racist but just silly, what else did they rap about? Why didn't he bring more tapes or tell us about others subjects mentioned in the freestyles ?
Why didn't Eminem back him up?

That letter seems like a pr clean up move to quell the controversy

It came out in January 2004 which is two months after the racist tape interview was published (November 2003) and a month after the lawsuit from interscope records to benzino (December 2003)

Seems like a hail Mary ^ if he was srsly concerned about how misleading that article was.... You'd think he be on it right after the article is published and caused a public frenzy....

If em's truthful about being angry at a black gf then the freestyle is not him being goofy and representing weirdo opinions -

• it's closet racism at its best

Either way, em is lying/withholding the truth - there's no way around that