Elric

5y

Before I did chrono method Highway 61 was my first Dylan album and for a long time Ballad of a Thin Man was the only jam I dug just cause the angsty teenager could relate to the gargantuan f***-off energy I quickly went back to the acoustic stuff and I guess growing up with Neil Young prepared me for it cause there wasn't a single thing I didn't love about them could be so affectionate or funny or scathing or abstract and it didn't matter how sloppy he was singing or playing. What a guy.

Elric

5y

I feel like I know what this is but you're going to have to remind me

Elric

5y

I feel like I know what this is but you're going to have to remind me

rise zero

5y

Thing is he's way f***ing jaded after Another Side. Blonde on Blonde especially he's just in "Fuck all you b****es" mode.

I get he wrote Visions and the whole Sad Eyed Lady s*** at the end but it's so... lost.

Elric

5y

I never took I Want You and Just Like A Woman as total spite, definitely some regret. and I'm pretty sure Sad Eyed Lady is 100% earnest.

rise zero

5y

Just imagine existing as this

Elric

5y

Honestly what a creature

His fingernails in '66 I think he was doing speed all day to keep the tour momentum going and heroin at night to finally crash and get some sleep. Definitely would have killed him if he didn't come up with that motorcycle crash excuse to get off the road for a couple years.

Look at these two both of em rail thin with one foot in the grave that year

Elric

5y

Coltrane not really my guy team Miles

rvi

5y

why you acting like you have to pick a "side" sounding like those beatles vs. stones tourists who only listen to 5 60s rock artists

Elric

5y

speaking of bob its finally on youtube the most earth shattering live recording in rock and roll history hm to the band of canadians backing him

rvi

5y

i swear im not trolling or baiting but i still dont understand your (and atl's) infatuation with this dylan live stuff

is it mainly just the vocal or what? and yeah i obviously love Band but still havent loved a single Dylan recording more than its studio version

probably already commented this same exact thing at one point so forgive me

Elric

5y

This version of I Don't Believe You is
in my top handful of life affirming jams with things like Long Tall Sally and precious few other things everything about the recording from the Band moving as one gargantuan thin wild mercury monolith to Dylan's most giddily lovestruck lyrics and performance you admit you're still acclimating to Dylan so i guess respectfully it's like when you tell me I'm .05% of the way to properly appreciating The Dead when I dig a song or something. Its the general unbridled lust for life conveyed through lyrics and vocals and music all at once

I know you stan the acoustic version but you've heard this one too right? @rise_zero

rvi

5y

well this one i guess i can say i enjoy over the studio one tbh

still though, the fact that lyrics is the first thing you mention is the main stumbling block : i mean the lyrics are the same as the studio version right? so it would take some absolutely monumental live vocal or something to make the lyrics that much better for me

i dont think its quite the same as me saying youre .05% of the way to appreciate Dead (lol) because its comparing a rock goat whose primary expression format is entirely singular within the art form to one whose primary (songwriting, and not just lyrically) was the blueprint for like an entire half century at least, and even beyond the genre lines. not saying anything quality wise but since Dylan's songwriting DNA is present in like everything i feel like its gotta be easier to get acclimated to than the band who you have to write like a full essay to try to explain to someone why theyre the best. but if youre a dylan stan you can just sum it up in one word - "songwriting"

its also hilarious that the perhaps most hated album by the stans of either of these 2 goats is their collab and maybe telling in a way, they are similar enough stylistically to adore and relate to each other but at the same time also possess the most different ends of the spectrum

Elric

5y

Well I believe historians will be writing about Dylan long after they stop writing about the Grateful Dead but my dilettante ass only appreciates it and on a primal visceral level not a hyperliterate level but still it's not something I can really elucidate I guess

And yeah that's some synergy merging their nadirs

Elric

5y

Well I believe historians will be writing about Dylan long after they stop writing about the Grateful Dead but my dilettante ass only appreciates it and on a primal visceral level not a hyperliterate level but still it's not something I can really elucidate I guess

And yeah that's some synergy merging their nadirs

rvi

5y

i mean thats also the question of the "cult" style artist vs. the universally understandable one, and personally im totally ready to accept that the cult one has the potential to truly surpass the other although the masses will never fully understand. Dead's greatness is never meant to be understood with a few sentences in the history books vs. a deep dive into the legend and body of work by future generations. also a kind of mind/spirit vs mind dichotomy in a way (could probably phrase that better in a different state of mind)

im also completely fine with accepting dylan's near-supreme historical significance even if i dont become a full blown stan one day like im hoping

Elric

5y

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Everything you say about the dead applies to Dylan. The allegorical/metaphorical well runs impossibly deep.

rvi

5y

maybe Dylan is my final boss

rvi

5y

"Well, who's to blame for this one? First off, Dylan is a man of many things but freeform jamming isn't one of them. Secondly, Dylan's inability to jam means the Dead can't do literally the one thing everyone listens to them for. Third, the track selection is pretty poor ("Slow Train" and "Joey" were bad enough songs on their original albums without being revived in a live context). Fourth, Dylan clearly doesn't give a s***, and his vocals prove it. A nadir for all parties considered."

crine this reviewer really used the term "nadir" also