We have the resources to do all of these things. The U.S has relied on immigration and brain drain for its own development since it was a colony. There's no excuse for not being able to handle American issues and still take part in relief efforts. We had a President in office for 4 years on "America First, border security and less immigrants" and here we still are lol

It never has to be one or the other concerning this issue

the vaccine wasnt to prevent the virus, its to lessen the effects of it should you catch it

you get flu shots, you still get a flu.

And it was right to do all of those things in the name of "lessening effects"?

Now we know that they do not stop spread, and natural immunity has been confirmed to be as effective as vaccines. Would love to hear anyone's take on why the choices made during the pandemic were the right ones.

It's one thing to push for lockdowns or promote vaccines, it's another to try and control an entire population through censorship, coercion and threat to livelihood for not complying. And it was only one side cheering it on.

to be fair the messaging about the vaccine from the govt was very irresponsible and rushed. the CDC did an absolutely abysmal job of conveying the point of the vaccine and in their messaging about public safety. i don't believe this is a conspiracy or anything for the record; i think it's just a result of incompetency and the divisive political background on the topic. looking back at the evolution of COVID messaging 2019-2021 is legit surreal because of how terribly every american institution handled it, capped off by how terrible the vaccine rollout was messaging-wise.

do you know what a vaccine is?

a weaker strain of the virus, meant for your cells to learn how to fight against it. an 80 year old immunocompromised man would have a lesser chance of dying from covid should he have the vaccine, than not. it doesnt mean he wont die entirely or not ever catch it, it just helps lessen the chance of death.

why did trump get vaccinated?

i swear we are all f***ed if something deadlier than covid hits.

im canadian, we handled it just fine. americans are just uneducated in masses in comparison to us.

What are you talking about?

First these were mRNA, not what you're describing. Second, of course it's smart for older people to get vaccinated or anyone who wants to!

What I am saying was absolutely wrong and actually evil was to try and force an entire population into complying with a vaccine mandate.

The argument for it was that it stopped the spread, and would stop us from spreading it to others who are at risk. That wasn't the case, and even if it were, is still a personal choice to be made.

this is a thread about american politics

it's not just about education. the CDC rushed their messaging to the public and ended up having to change it like 8 times in a short period of time, which was free political bait for people who wanted to liken it to a conspiracy. the real time evolution of the handling of the topic instead of a reasonable measured response was just a critical institutional failure

blame big pharma

it’s in the best interest of those who make money off you to keep you alive

big pharma's failures are separate, govt institutions still had a responsibility for the public safety aspect they failed on. it intersects with big pharma's failures but all in all the only reason half those failures could even exist was ultimately due to the govt's incompetence anyway

Who's arguing that?

I'm talking about the censorship and authoritarian collaboration between the democrats and big tech/every business and entity world wide. They forced people out of jobs for not getting a vaccine, and we were told it was because it would stop the spread of covid. You can gaslight or be gaslit and say that isn't true, and explain to me what a vaccine is but they are all on record saying it would stop the spread. That is why they separated vaccinated and unvaccinated, and some could not go to work or restaurants or movie theaters. There is a reason that has all gone away and we pretend like it didn't happen.

It's because they were wrong about everything.

Would still love for anyone to try and argue that the covid response, censorship and mandates turned out to be the correct decision. There's a reason why it's not talked about anymore.

Are you a scientist?

You know this is not the thread for this right? It's a separate topic from the OP lol

Very dumb for Biden not to get the easy Optics win here. I heard republicans are starting to pull back from other candidates because of this move by Trump

Maybe a tactical play to have him be the nominee by Dems? Jk

Who let Illangelos alt on here @BGFX

What does being a scientist have to do with anything that I said?

If you're asking if I consider myself intelligent enough to a***yze risk/reward, weigh the good & the bad, spot hypocritical statements and claims, grasp the impact of decisions made by people in power, understand how censorship and silencing of dissenting views is a bad idea, the ability to recognize that people should not be forced or coerced into taking a vaccine for themselves or their family with risk of losing their job or access to basic public amenities, then yeah I think so.

If you think in terms of "I'm not an expert so I shouldn't form my own thoughts and opinions", you're probably not very bright.

Blind trust in anyone or anything is not good, if you don't think you're competent enough to think for yourself you probably shouldn't be discussing this.

the level of elon d*** eating youve gotta be at to think him and his lil twitter bullshit is more important than christian fascism in america is off the charts

that was truly some olympic level d*** eating

I'm sorry you don't grasp the severity of things lmao.

Elon has spent his life revolutionizing the electric car industry, trying to better the environment, bringing internet capabilities to every stretch of the world via starlink, and trying to get humanity to a new planet to make sure humanity continues if earth fails.

All of this, and to him the most pressing issue is wokeness. Do you think he's just trolling? Censorship and authoritarianism are dangerous and the most pressing issue given those are the tactics of the woke left.

woulda thought i was on p***hub the way this man throating d*** itt

Low IQ individuals been duped into thinking Elon is some random guy who inherited money from his racist dad and just stole every company he's ever been a part of.

Losers!