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  • Aug 3, 2021
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    the error in majority of people's thinking is assuming billboard charts represent listening habits, popularity or impact

    its always been a list of money. the charts arent wrong. bts are number #1 in that they have the most money being put in the marker that is Butter. it's just that in this instance, it's coming majorly from fans instead of companies

  • Aug 3, 2021
  • safe 🪩
    Aug 3, 2021
    yungboiezi

    So stan purchases are the new bundles?

    yup

  • Aug 3, 2021
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    feelingisfirst

    the error in majority of people's thinking is assuming billboard charts represent listening habits, popularity or impact

    its always been a list of money. the charts arent wrong. bts are number #1 in that they have the most money being put in the marker that is Butter. it's just that in this instance, it's coming majorly from fans instead of companies

    TOTC seems like the perfect page to start that chart but they already shot down the idea lmao

  • Aug 3, 2021

    imagine fleecing minors out of their money to buy a god damn song just so you can have accolade

    these c***s should be taken off the #1 of Soundcloud too

  • Aug 3, 2021
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    iCarly Japan

    Probs to bts for selling that much

    atrl figured out that 1 person was responsible for 20% of butter's sales

  • Aug 3, 2021
    mctate

    not a big enough nerd to know whats going on with BTS and LNX

    BTA has an extremely hardcore fan are so they will always sell well which is BS but no rules are broken

  • rvi
    Aug 3, 2021

    f*** the bts army weirdos

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    Aug 3, 2021
    Zero

    TOTC seems like the perfect page to start that chart but they already shot down the idea lmao

    I mean rolling stone have had a chart w a better methodology than billboard for over a year

    It’s just that no one gives a f*** about it

    Same problem as the Grammys - they’re dogshit because they essentially have the monopoly and that’s also why competition isn’t an option - artists care about the Grammys and they care about Billboard

  • Aug 3, 2021
    Zero

    atrl figured out that 1 person was responsible for 20% of butter's sales

    link? i wanna see lol

  • Zero

    atrl figured out that 1 person was responsible for 20% of butter's sales

    Bro what? That’s absurd lmao

  • Aug 4, 2021
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    safe

    Of course they’re not gonna change it

    Theyre song sales regardless of how bullshitty they are

    Sorry how are they bullshit?

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    Aug 4, 2021
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    Tyler1999

    Sorry how are they bullshit?

    They essentially pool money from a ton of fan donations and then use VPNs and prepaid credit cards and s*** to buy a ton of copies and skirt the 4 copies per account rule and get super high sales
    The money actually exists but it’s done explicitly for chart purposes it’s not fans just buying the song for themselves
    BTS also kinda encourage this w stuff like this

    All of these remixes combine to count towards the main songs chart placement but because they’re technically a different version you can buy 4 copies of each version and have 20+ copies counting towards chart placement

  • Aug 4, 2021
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    safe

    They essentially pool money from a ton of fan donations and then use VPNs and prepaid credit cards and s*** to buy a ton of copies and skirt the 4 copies per account rule and get super high sales
    The money actually exists but it’s done explicitly for chart purposes it’s not fans just buying the song for themselves
    BTS also kinda encourage this w stuff like this

    All of these remixes combine to count towards the main songs chart placement but because they’re technically a different version you can buy 4 copies of each version and have 20+ copies counting towards chart placement

    Fan donations? They're asking fans for money?

  • Aug 4, 2021

    Hmm. This gives me an idea. Should I start my music career and then start a cult? Or should I start a cult and THEN start my music career?

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    Aug 4, 2021
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    Tyler1999

    Fan donations? They're asking fans for money?

    BTS aren’t it’s stan accounts that pool the money

  • Aug 4, 2021
    safe

    BTS aren’t it’s stan accounts that pool the money

    ah gotta love twitter

  • Aug 4, 2021

    KPOP stans are another breed, they got the number game on lock.

    The fanbase are excessive loyal to the artists, which both means buying more albums and repeatedly streaming. They also do these collectible postcards that you get in albums, which results in fans buying albums in bulk to collect them all. Additionally some of these albums acts as a lottery for online/irl fanmeets which generates even more sales. It's crazy

  • Aug 4, 2021
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    Though i think the Kpop industry is weird and unoriginal. I would say American artists can learn a thing or two from BTS in terms of fanbase support for their own careers.

  • Aug 4, 2021
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    Zero

    I got you

    Notice the streams and sales for butter vs every other song under it

    So, the actual biggest song isn't #1...

  • Aug 4, 2021
    SBMike

    So, the actual biggest song isn't #1...

    No and they allow it because BTS brings in ungodly amounts of traffic

  • Aug 4, 2021
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    Iron Lion Zion

    Though i think the Kpop industry is weird and unoriginal. I would say American artists can learn a thing or two from BTS in terms of fanbase support for their own careers.

    Its not fanbase support, its a handful of lunatics

  • Aug 4, 2021

    What are they doing exactly?

  • Aug 4, 2021
    Zero

    Its not fanbase support, its a handful of lunatics

    It is fanbase support, they just value concrete numbers and records over the actual music their artists make. It’s a different value set entirely.

    If you go to the actual bts fan communities they actually almost had a civil war over Permission to Dance because a lot of the ARMYs acknowledged the song is objectively some f***ing trash and didn’t want to support it, but most of the fanbase continued to buy and stream it regardless (because that’s how you participate in kpop fan communities)