Feb 11, 2023·1 replyRalo"Aggressiveness and confidence" Bro you coming up with anything
Can you even present examples of Pac inspiring a rapper's aggressiveness or confidence lmfao? We talking about music and u tryna move the goalpostI literally give you an example of Pac inspiring Rebirth and you just ignored it completely
“walking around like he Pac” “riding around like im Pac” is a thing in rap. So yeah, his confidence was undeniably influential lol- AR15 💯Feb 11, 2023
Pac was mid
If pac was alive today hed be like yg level not even nip level lmao
- AR15 💯Feb 11, 2023
Drakeo > Pac
- Feb 11, 2023·1 replyEl Nigga
I literally give you an example of Pac inspiring Rebirth and you just ignored it completely
“walking around like he Pac” “riding around like im Pac” is a thing in rap. So yeah, his confidence was undeniably influential lolBecause for some reason you think Pac influencing Wayne makes him more influential then wayne. It's a stupid argument
- AR15 💯Feb 11, 2023·1 reply
You put drakeo in the 90s and give him suge, death row and a prime dre and snoop to help him hed be way bigger than pac ever was.
Wayne the goat tho im out
- Feb 11, 2023AR15
You put drakeo in the 90s and give him suge, death row and a prime dre and snoop to help him hed be way bigger than pac ever was.
Wayne the goat tho im out
come back to the thread and this nigga is foaming from the mouth lmao
- AR15 💯Feb 11, 2023·1 reply
Lil ballerina wanna be yb so bad
- Feb 11, 2023AR15
Lil ballerina wanna be yb so bad
ballerina birthed wayne.
what a goat man
Feb 11, 2023·1 replyGvdlynigga im talking about rap artist and all you did was talk about "Lyrical miracle" bars from wayne when 90% of the s*** he rhymes are braindead bars that get lean addicted white kids hyped.
As a lyricist Wayne aint that good when you collect some of his best "lines".
Pac was at least good in his own lane and had really good mic presence, versatility, explored more subject matter than Wayne has ever did in the 30 years hes been rapping.
Like if we strictly talk about hits Pac is at least competing and hes been dead for almost 30 years and only rapped for 5. That alone says a lot.You talking about “lines”
That right there let’s me know everything I need to know about where your head is at
You oversimplying tf out of s***
It ain’t ain’t about “lines” it’s about the subtle nuances that makes Wayne’s technique genius and that’s why he’s universally appreciated
If you can’t appreciate it that’s a YOU thing my guy
If everybody’s crazy you the one that’s insane word to Hov
Now again if we talking about subject matter and emotional content and all around having meaningful music Pac takes the cake I don’t think anyone would argue otherwise
Feb 11, 2023Wayne my second fav rapper ever, but y'all acting like he wayy better than Pac when he don't got an album better than All eyez on me and Me against the world.
- Feb 11, 2023·2 repliesRalo
Because for some reason you think Pac influencing Wayne makes him more influential then wayne. It's a stupid argument
Thats a very small part of it lol fact is Pac is the most famous rapper in the history of mankind. He is the Bob Marley of rap. You see his image around the world. As someone who listens to music in Spanish, he and BIG are the only rappers mentioned constantly throughout the last 20 years in Spanish rap. He is the reason a lot of people 35/40+ even got into rap. There is no bigger influence than that lol
I love Wayne, easy top 10--maybe even top 5 and one of the top 2 or 3 flows in rap history(and arguably the GOAT punchlines) but Pac is Pac bro. He's Michael Jordan. Wayne can be Lebron if you want--but Bron ain't nowhere near MJ in terms of influence either and never will be. Just like some rock band of the last 30 years may be influential...but no rock band will ever be more influential than The Beatles--point blank. I'd actually argue Rakim is the most influential ever, but Pac and BIG are right there. Hell take BIG out of history and Wayne and Jay may have never popped. And you can argue Ye is more influential than Wayne--but this thread has prospered enough already
- Feb 11, 2023ryuH
You talking about “lines”
That right there let’s me know everything I need to know about where your head is at
You oversimplying tf out of s***
It ain’t ain’t about “lines” it’s about the subtle nuances that makes Wayne’s technique genius and that’s why he’s universally appreciated
If you can’t appreciate it that’s a YOU thing my guy
If everybody’s crazy you the one that’s insane word to Hov
Now again if we talking about subject matter and emotional content and all around having meaningful music Pac takes the cake I don’t think anyone would argue otherwise
watered down lyracism isn't a genius technique and its why hes been largely responsible for the dumbing down of rap music.
He has good songs, good albums and mixtapes, but as a lyricist hes not that good. - Feb 11, 2023·1 replyEl Nigga
Thats a very small part of it lol fact is Pac is the most famous rapper in the history of mankind. He is the Bob Marley of rap. You see his image around the world. As someone who listens to music in Spanish, he and BIG are the only rappers mentioned constantly throughout the last 20 years in Spanish rap. He is the reason a lot of people 35/40+ even got into rap. There is no bigger influence than that lol
I love Wayne, easy top 10--maybe even top 5 and one of the top 2 or 3 flows in rap history(and arguably the GOAT punchlines) but Pac is Pac bro. He's Michael Jordan. Wayne can be Lebron if you want--but Bron ain't nowhere near MJ in terms of influence either and never will be. Just like some rock band of the last 30 years may be influential...but no rock band will ever be more influential than The Beatles--point blank. I'd actually argue Rakim is the most influential ever, but Pac and BIG are right there. Hell take BIG out of history and Wayne and Jay may have never popped. And you can argue Ye is more influential than Wayne--but this thread has prospered enough already
“Bron ain’t nowhere near MJ in terms of influence either and never will be”
- Feb 11, 2023
Pac is not the most famous rapper of all time, oldhead argument
- Feb 11, 2023
Influence does not stop at the originator, dumb way of thinking
- Feb 11, 2023·1 replyEl Nigga
Thats a very small part of it lol fact is Pac is the most famous rapper in the history of mankind. He is the Bob Marley of rap. You see his image around the world. As someone who listens to music in Spanish, he and BIG are the only rappers mentioned constantly throughout the last 20 years in Spanish rap. He is the reason a lot of people 35/40+ even got into rap. There is no bigger influence than that lol
I love Wayne, easy top 10--maybe even top 5 and one of the top 2 or 3 flows in rap history(and arguably the GOAT punchlines) but Pac is Pac bro. He's Michael Jordan. Wayne can be Lebron if you want--but Bron ain't nowhere near MJ in terms of influence either and never will be. Just like some rock band of the last 30 years may be influential...but no rock band will ever be more influential than The Beatles--point blank. I'd actually argue Rakim is the most influential ever, but Pac and BIG are right there. Hell take BIG out of history and Wayne and Jay may have never popped. And you can argue Ye is more influential than Wayne--but this thread has prospered enough already
Bro I can actually site a multitude of rappers who were directly inspired by Wayne. Literally the majority of popular rap music today is Wayne inspired. I asked you to give me examples of Pac's influence in music and u got nothing accept "Pac's aggressiveness and confidence"
If you want to say Pac is more iconic, sure. But saying Pac is more influential then Wayne is just a goddam lie! Also that MJ and Bron comparison is horrible - Feb 11, 2023·1 replyshaleirose
“Bron ain’t nowhere near MJ in terms of influence either and never will be”
Now dude is going to argue Bron is more influential than Mr. Air Jordan himself ffs lol Agree to disagree. you think Wayne is better AND more influential, which is wild af but you do you man. I love Wayne too. But in a 20 vs 20 all Pac would have to do is play Me Against The World and All Eyes tracks--wouldn't even need Makaveli
- Feb 11, 2023El Nigga
Now dude is going to argue Bron is more influential than Mr. Air Jordan himself ffs lol Agree to disagree. you think Wayne is better AND more influential, which is wild af but you do you man. I love Wayne too. But in a 20 vs 20 all Pac would have to do is play Me Against The World and All Eyes tracks--wouldn't even need Makaveli
You do realize that Bron is to this generation what MJ was to his generation right?
It’s not one is greater than the other, they’re pretty equal
- Feb 11, 2023·2 repliesRalo
Bro I can actually site a multitude of rappers who were directly inspired by Wayne. Literally the majority of popular rap music today is Wayne inspired. I asked you to give me examples of Pac's influence in music and u got nothing accept "Pac's aggressiveness and confidence"
If you want to say Pac is more iconic, sure. But saying Pac is more influential then Wayne is just a goddam lie! Also that MJ and Bron comparison is horribleRadiohead and The Strokes are more influential to todays generation of rock than the Beatles. Does that mean they are more influential than the Beatles? Yes or no? Simple question.
Answer is no. Period.
Majority of todays music is Wayne and Ye(and Cudi and T Pain) inspired. But they ain't more influential than Pac, Rakim and BIG. And again--I'd argue Ye is more influential than Wayne.
- Feb 11, 2023
Ye and Wayne are the two most influential rappers of all time and it’s honestly not even close
- Feb 11, 2023
Y'all take it easy and stay pressed over facts. When you hit your Pac phase in a few years, you'll think of me like "damn he was right"
Ima enjoy Wayne and Pac rn, actually. Two legends(one more influential than the other, but still) 
- Feb 11, 2023·2 repliesEl Nigga
Radiohead and The Strokes are more influential to todays generation of rock than the Beatles. Does that mean they are more influential than the Beatles? Yes or no? Simple question.
Answer is no. Period.
Majority of todays music is Wayne and Ye(and Cudi and T Pain) inspired. But they ain't more influential than Pac, Rakim and BIG. And again--I'd argue Ye is more influential than Wayne.
stop coming with these straw man arguments bro. We are talking about Wayne and Pac. I asked you to provide examples of Pac's major influence in todays rap and you can't give me nothing! U cap ass lil boy! Rakim, Big, and Pac more influencial then Ye and Wayne? Are you out of ur goddam mind lil boy? Crazy lil dude
- Feb 11, 2023·1 replyEl Nigga
Radiohead and The Strokes are more influential to todays generation of rock than the Beatles. Does that mean they are more influential than the Beatles? Yes or no? Simple question.
Answer is no. Period.
Majority of todays music is Wayne and Ye(and Cudi and T Pain) inspired. But they ain't more influential than Pac, Rakim and BIG. And again--I'd argue Ye is more influential than Wayne.
Bad a***ogy because The Beatles completely revolutionized and changed pop music, Pac didn’t do anywhere near that for rap
- Feb 11, 2023·2 repliesRalo
stop coming with these straw man arguments bro. We are talking about Wayne and Pac. I asked you to provide examples of Pac's major influence in todays rap and you can't give me nothing! U cap ass lil boy! Rakim, Big, and Pac more influencial then Ye and Wayne? Are you out of ur goddam mind lil boy? Crazy lil dude
Kendrick and Jcole are literally Pac's biggest influences and they're 2/3 most popular rappers rn.
Rakim literally changed the style of rap and Wayne has followed that path, so ironically hes benefited from it immensely.
Biggie pioneered East Coast rap and literally helped birth the pop-hardcore sound/style that dominated the early 2000s.
Wayne....influenced some good rappers but birthed a lot that tried to mimic his style, cadence, flow, image, lean habits... and helped dumb down rap.
Solid influence from Wayne, handclaps around. - Feb 11, 2023·1 replyGvdly
Kendrick and Jcole are literally Pac's biggest influences and they're 2/3 most popular rappers rn.
Rakim literally changed the style of rap and Wayne has followed that path, so ironically hes benefited from it immensely.
Biggie pioneered East Coast rap and literally helped birth the pop-hardcore sound/style that dominated the early 2000s.
Wayne....influenced some good rappers but birthed a lot that tried to mimic his style, cadence, flow, image, lean habits... and helped dumb down rap.
Solid influence from Wayne, handclaps around.Wether or not your oldhead ass thinks Wayne’s influence was good or bad for hiphop, you can’t deny that he is a bigger influence then all those names. STOP THE CAP!