Shadow374

4mo

So if America were to invade nigeria today and its become popular for black people to disassociate from africa black people wouldnt enlist to kill their own brothers and destroy their own homeland?

Flubber

4mo

Fam what are we doing?

This thread is getting off track, this ain't a good faith argument at all

C'mon fam

TUNDRA IV

4mo

if you think Black Americans would cheer for the destructions of Africans especially through American invasion that says more about YOUR Psyche and hate for people across the diaspora than anything

Babaláwo

4mo

What do you mean by identity as “black”? Like black as in skin or culturally (which refers to Black American)? This partially why I’m am in favor of the Soulaan moniker for FBA/ADOS as their ethnic tribal name. A lot of y’all continue to show that you really don’t know how the question “Are you black?” Is perceived outside of America. Again an example of American Exceptionalism.

That is such a loaded question to ask a non-Americanized black person. Y’all almost ask it as a trick question, knowing they aren’t equipped to properly answer it.

I can only speak anecdotally with my experience with Kwanzaa. Use to celebrate it at school from about preschool to 3rd grade. Had a black principal Mrs. Johnson who was a very proud black woman, so she made sure to spot light it. This is late 90s early 00s. After that, transferred schools, and that don’t have many black people in it unfortunately. But they would still bring up Kwanzaa. All the white teachers would try to pick me out of class to lead Kwanzaa discussion because I have a thick Nigerian ass name. All the other “regular black” kids would straight up say it’s some African s*** and their family only celebrates Xmas.

Transferred to a predominately black school a couple years later, and it was more of the same. Majority did not even acknowledge Kwanzaa or they would pass it off as some African s***. You’d still have a handful whose families acknowledged and celebrated it, but it definitely wasn’t the majority.

Shadow374

4mo

So if America were to invade nigeria today and its become popular for black people to disassociate from africa black people wouldnt enlist to kill their own brothers and destroy their own homeland?

TUNDRA IV

4mo

That’s not main character syndrome. It just legitimately happens due to perceptions that were led by the u.s. government and pushed to other nations. I don’t think I have to explain colonialism and the effect it’s had on all people especially those in the diaspora https://jimcrowmuseum.ferris.edu/brute/homepage.htm

Even if I agreed with you that this is a result of some hyper individualism cultivated by Black Americans perspective being shaped by being the west….. doesn’t that lend to even more reason to be recognized as a distinct ethnic group??? Again this s*** is a non topic if we were talking about ethnic group in any region of Africa. So what makes it such a fiery issue for Black people in America to identify themselves how they see fit.

Y’all still can’t answer that without using some white ass talking points

Free YoungBoy

4mo

No

Free YoungBoy

4mo

Look up ufc fighter Mike Morales. He is black and was in the news recently for saying he isn’t black but equadorian. Thats a good example of what I’m talking about

Shadow374

4mo

I hope you are correct

Babaláwo

4mo

I’m asking what you mean though.

Free YoungBoy

4mo

The answers I was given when I posed this question

• these countries aren’t/werent white ruled
  Why it’s wrong: they are. Spanish and Portuguese are whites

• the United States genocides it’s natives
  Why it’s wrong: so did the South American countries and in some cases like Brazil they did it worse than the US

• black people from these countries are more connected to their African roots than black Americans

Why it’s wrong: many black people from these countries don’t even identify as black let alone African. They strictly identify as their country of origin or even Latino.

Black Americans even came up with Kwanzaa to try and identify more with their African roots and that stuff was met with “you guys aren’t African”.

TUNDRA IV

4mo

i mean talked about the issues with the current leaders of that movement and etc but on this very SAME page we're talking on in the thread you can see people calling Black Americans hypothetical genociders and zionists. Is that not f***ing crazy or just as xenophobic?

Free YoungBoy

4mo

To me black means are you of sub Saharan African ancestry. Some countries say mixed people are their own thing and I understand and respect that but for the sake of this convo I’m talking about people with majority African heritage

Shadow374

4mo

Good at least you acknowledge your African. As an FBA myself obviously its no problem with identifying our unique history but the moment it ventures into pro classism and pro imperialism which is exactly what FBA has become in reality im out

Shadow374

4mo

We arent there yet but we could get there. Black people watch too much cnn

RIZGOD

4mo

I'd like to address the last paragraph - as a South African, it always kinda felt like black Americans (and black people on most of the other continents) look down on us or were so ignorant that it's clear they don't have an interest in their heritage

Like people genuinely thought we're all living in huts and got lions roaming around when we hosted the 2010 world cup Will never forget how I watched one of those random "Australian kids try South African candy" videos and bro said "I bet you guys didn't even know they have candy and thought they just scavenged around eating like leaves". Only Black kid in the video

Free YoungBoy

4mo

Look up ufc fighter Mike Morales. He is black and was in the news recently for saying he isn’t black but equadorian. Thats a good example of what I’m talking about

Flubber

4mo

That ain't a fair or valid example tbf

A lot of black folks with south american/hispanic/latin/etc blood will say the same thing
E.g. Afrodominicans, even Feefo from Dead End hip hop who is black/afrocuban doesn't say he's black (he a bit goofy tho)

Not all though, but it has been seen many times
'I no black papi '

Black Caribbean folks from Jamaica/Barbados/Antigua etc will acknowledge and say they are black

Leon Edwards (former UFC Welterweight Champion) is from Jamaica and he has said he's black

Free YoungBoy

4mo

A lot of black folks with south american/hispanics/etc blood will say the same thing
E.g. Afrodominicans, even Feefo from Dead End hip hop who is black/afrocuban doesn't say he's black (he a bit goofy tho)

Yeah I agree. I’m saying this as a response to people from SA/Caribbean not really claiming black or African like that

Flubber

4mo

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I know 100s of Caribbean folks and none of them act like that

The few doesn't equal the many

(I was putting on at them Black Soc events at college/uni )

There are coons & semi-coons all over the place, e.g. I would never use Sammy Sosa as a strawman argument ya feel me?

Free YoungBoy

4mo

When I say Caribbean I’m talking about the Spanish speaking countries not your Jamaicas or Haitis

Babaláwo

4mo

I worked in the Census Bureau for 2 years. I’m pretty well traveled, but that job is really what opened my eyes to race identification, and how it changes from country to country, regions to region. Here in the US race/identity politics has been at the forefront of everything for a long time, so it becomes easy to think the rest of the world is divided into the categories we have made for ourselves here.

1, majority of people get race/ethnicity/nationality f***ed up.
2, US racial categories are all based on the perception of white purity