I never really got it.

I love physics and study something with science and while I am no expert by any means I still am very interested in stars, nukleons, lightspeed, time and all there is to it. Yet I never really looked at it and thought that this was everything there is to life and the reason why were here is just muh science.

Its always weird to me when atheist disprove God with facts and by taking apart bible quotes and stuff. Like God is clearly a deity that is above all of that. Thats the whole point of it. So „debunking“ has no purpose whatsoever.

I just cant wrap my head around people go like „yep big bang and 13 billion years later by coincidence were here thats it“.

Its just as irrational as theism

Agnosticism the way to go

what makes you think its "coincidence"? i dont think thats really the right way to put it

gotta believ in something

Maybe not the best way to put it.

Anyways I wanted to use this comment to point out how clean this thread looks

A Frank song on the third post? This is my best thread so far

Its a choice just like everything else in life

you cant disprove god but you also cant disprove the universe was created by a big set of buttcheecks so its all the same

Just by the way you set up your argument I already know trying to explain what actual atheism is would be difficult

I've never quite understood athiesm myself. Your lack of belief still sounds like a belief system to me. That's why I prefer agnosticism, because it's I all I know is that I do not know

also @op i dont think a single person believes our current explanation of physics etc. is "all there is to it". not believing in god doesnt mean that you think scientists in 2022 have the complete explanation figured out. it also doesnt mean that you are completely sure of your belief or think it can be proven/disproven, it just means you dont really believe right now. a lot of people also believe in some sort of "higher power" unknowable nature/laws of nature type thing that might not be too far off what a deist or something thinks, they just dont see a reason to call it a "god" in a traditional sense

a lot of people also erroneously believe that agnosticism and atheism are mutually exclusive when in reality i a lot of atheists are agnostic atheists

they are not opposites

you can be an atheist without being 100% sure and i think thats what most atheists are anyway

S***show is coming

that's not how I see people who actually strongly identify with the term "atheism" seem to think

Weird amount of effort for a ktt2 post

Because they want to safely jerk off to hentai p*** without feeling guilty for it

maybe because the people who identify strongly with the term are the only ones who talk about it because theres not really anything to talk about for most people. how much can you really discuss something you dont believe in or think about

There's some stuff the science cannot explain, but spiritualism can, and vice-versa.

That makes sense. My perspective might also be shifted since the atheists I know in my life are usually very obnoxious and just talk down on other people‘s beliefs. I had them in mind when talking about the people debunking god.

But it was probably wrong of me to assume like they are replacing religion with science.

the science > god s*** is something folks can talk about it

seems like these people would be closer to agnostic and just not as familiar with the term

I was feeling artsy thx for the compliment

Perhaps an atheist doesn’t believe in an Aristotelian prime mover at all

There is precedent to this, in Hinduism the universe has a start and end, but only as part of an infinite cycle of creation and destruction - is there truly a start to the universe here? Maybe our universe is infinite in time, maybe the Big Bang wasn’t the start, maybe there wasn’t a God either, but it just always was

I think you're confusing "God" for a creator and while its possible we're in a simulation or something similar to that we still need concrete proof of that. For all we know this is a novel written by the flying spaghetti monster

"closer to agnostic" doesnt really make sense imo since again you can be fully atheist and agnostic, they arent 2 different points on the same spectrum or something. believing a god exists and believing its possible for a god to be known to exist are 2 different things

some people dont want to call themselves either atheist or theist and thats fine too i guess. but i feel like some people do just have the false perception where "atheist" means you are super confident in your belief