Mods don’t ban me/lock.

I want to have an open honest talk.

No judgement. This is a safe space.

I am for abortion.

If a woman doesn’t want to have it, let her be.

At that point, there’s no heartbeat, and the baby isn’t even really a “baby”.

Why are so many people against abortion?

Old white people love telling women what to do

I doubt that it’s rooted in genuine spiritual belief. Good ol bigotry. I honestly have no idea how somebody could even reach the conclusion that abortion should be restricted

i don't think you're ever going to convince people that believe abortion is murder that they aren't killing a baby

i think you have to frame the argument as positive vs negative outcomes on the potential parent and family structure to try and sway them otherwise

one side has the intuition that it's evil
the other has the intuition that restricting women from the operation is evil
i dont really think either side has any substantial moral arguments they're just yelling at eachother with post-hoc reasoning

whats the basis for morality?

if we're basing it on physical/emotional suffering then clearly pro choicers have a point.

pro life mfs gotta read Every Cradle Is A Grave and get back to me

how many people on the planet given the choice would choose to have been aborted by their mother instead of existing at all

i don’t get people who say they aren’t for abortions but then as well aren’t for any welfare measures that would help the mother and child

I don't care bout no heartbeat
Don't care bout no fetus
If a woman don't want no funky ass baby she shouldn't be forced to have it.

well im one

More poor people they get to oppress

Always loved that song

Why did you bring up heartbeat?

Great childish gambino song

A lot.

you're comparing a hypothetical scenario to an actual one though

majority of people will agree with you, as do i

a fun fact is men and women are pro life in roughly equal numbers

i say this as someone aggressively pro choice, boiling it down to a man vs woman issue doesnt do favours

seems wrong but it doesn't really impact my life at all so I'm generally indifferent to it.

probably shouldn't be legal past early second trimester.

should always be legal in the case of rape.

If the woman was raped or forced on I’m for abortion but other then that

the arguments against it are arcaic asf the world is better place with the option of abortion being legal.

Are you a man? Are you going to birth the child?

Why do you think you have any say?

? people are hypothesizing about how their child's life is going to be and using that to justify not wanting to have the kid. No one knows how that persons life would turn out before they live it.

honestly the child is completely irrelevant. the only point of consideration is the mother seeing as the child doesn't yet exist. theres no life being lost if there's no subject to lose it. which is why i say hypothetical.

if i was aborted im not really losing anything bc theres no "me" to lose anything.

we call this: personification