Open the borders ‼️

Irresponsible comment coming from a sheltered human

Yeah i’ve just never been bothered by illegal border crossings. In fact all the hysteria over “white genocide” and “The Great Replacement” just makes me care even less

Still want an answer to this and more broadly how inculcating chaos on the level of nation-state governance will create global order

agree to some degree that over-indulgence in debating illegal immigration is stupid and often scapegoating or a distraction, but one world government

really dont see any issue with it. same reason america is so f***ed up because of different states having different goals and ideologies. theres no cohesion. nothing gets done. same scenario can be extrapolated to the world as a whole. we as a collective species have a lot of work to do

Y'all really think a world government would go well when we can't even get a country, continent, state, city or even a small group of people to agree with whats logically best for all humans?

YOU THINK OUR REPRESENATIVES DONT REPRESENT US NOW

IMAGINE THAT

do you think when you look at who's running the US government or, even say the EU, your first thought is "hell yeah brother, i wish Joe Biden (or whoever other politician you want to pick) was ruling the world instead of just the US"? I would fully agree with you if the outcome was utopian and we could guarantee a theoretical homogeneity as well as actually guaranteeing a unified ruling class (or if not "class" by economic terms, just by position) as competent and meaningful, I would agree with you, but that's just not possible and the state of the world reflects that more and more. Look at how bad everyone dealt with COVID and how wrong virtually all government agencies were about it again and again, as one example. Do you think that would be better on a global level? Plus, two things - A. do you think the logistical bureaucracy of a global government could ever work? The UN can't even function and that's an organization which does nothing and B. with the level of control and/or separation of a global government, would you not essentially have representative states or regions anyway? I fully agree with you there is no cohesion and nothing gets done - but I don't understand how you can extrapolate that to "cultural heterogenity exists to a hard level of separation" and then draw the conclusion of "therefore one government would work" vs "maybe this is representative of the fact that we simply split states/regions even more"

thats my point, theres no cohesion as it is now. so its either we go back into communes or if this technological progress continues, we come together and set an agreed upon way of distributing resources.

for example theres thing this called the kardashev scale which theorizes how advanced civilizations will utilize energy. we're barely a type one civilization as it is, and if the population keeps growing and we have a disaster of global poverty that keeps growing, we're going to need to come to an agreement about sharing resources, and since resources on earth are finite you'd need to look to the sun. so this means either creating a global solar grid or a dyson sphere.

look at the international space statio as a model honestly. the need for a system like that is going to be inevitable IF we survive into the far future. In order to make it through climate change we're going to require intense cooperation between nations anyway

We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime.

i totally get your point, and trust me i'd prefer if we all went back into communes, but with the state of technology and this absurd convergence of information and social media, the world isnt looking back. So even though people dont see the bigger picture, when they see the threat of climate change and how its a global issue, they may finally understand that there is a collective effort that must take place in order to solve it.

Will this collective realization actually happen? No. But should it? Absolutely, because its the only way we survive into the far future.

distributing resources? If a pandemic couldn't bring us together to use our abundance of resources to help everyone what can?

Okay, I think we at least see eye and eye and I kinda disagree with the outcome. While it's true that technology and media has saturated and normalized communications, I actually think more than anything it's exposed irreconcilable stratification at a fundamental level - look at these recent conversations against borne post-COVID, such as masking or establishment institutionalization. I think you're right that if anything else, the existence of commerce and capitalism within the frame of globalization of issues and culture makes it hard for countries to actually exist in an isolationist fashion (if even the Taliban cannot do it so good luck to anyone else), but I'm also not sure that I would say it inherently means that individualized communites or localized regions are any less possible - in fact, I'd honestly stake that if capitalism values collectivism disguised as individualism, you're likely to see even further balkanization increasingly eventually. I don't think it's generally sustainable along a current trajectory and I think you're increasingly likely to see people further break from cohesion rather than accept it desperately, if anything else because collectively people don't really act rationally and history is a course of reactionary action rather than scientific decision

right and this is why i think we will all die from climate change. but im saying that if you want to survive as a species into the far future, the glorified sports teams that are nation states need to go. Big problems require unilateral action, not trivial debates upon issues rooted in objective fact

have you ever considered that many humans care more about instant gratification / superiority more than some sort of unified survival?

I like your optimism though :elon:

i never want you to see the horrors

im not disagreeing with you lol. at this point this is all theoretical

Nah I know you just being optimistic

I AM JUST TOO FAR GONE AFTER LAST YEAR

Not sure what you're asking. How the process will begin and be overseen I have no idea, if that's what you were wondering.

Bertrand suggested that the world government serves to deal with issues of war and other global incidents, and freedom will still exist for nation states when dealing with insular issues.

I just know broad collective action as a species is a necessity for our sustained survival. And the inflated egoes and childlike bickering between nation states with imaginary borders and hierarchies will just get in the way.
What's objective is food, water, shelter, etc. And you can extrapolate this to include the issue of climate change, which cant be solved by any one nation

Forgoing it should not be the first step, that would make no sense for a number of reasons

Even then, Nation states have no interest building a world government that usurps their ability to project power

The world government must come about by means of people who are tired and detached from the nation state working to overthrow those in the most power to remove their unwillingness from the equation

"...I actually think more than anything it's exposed irreconcilable stratification at a fundamental level" I think this is an interesting point and would agree honestly.

You see my angle in this argument isn't one of utopian optimism, it's rooted in the very scientific decision that you say humanity neglects, which I also agree with you on.

I'm a sci fi writer so I think about things from a long term perspective. What if an EMP struck the Earth and we had a global reset? Then stratification takes place, but ideally in a way more similar to that of our indigenous ancestors, instead of capitalism's collective individualization. But i wouldn't put it past the collective human psyche to have things revert back to the way they were.

I guess you can go even deeper than say that there's some sort of flaw in our genetic code that makes us strive for such individuation and therefore we as a species are some sort of deviant experiment that was destined to fail.

NWO so soon

cant have open borders with a welfare state. Mass immigration is always going to be a problem for any nation despite what fools on the left say and despite the moronic spencer/fuentes types being racist on the issue as well