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  • Too often I see posters all too quick to rattle off this as a defining objection to Biden, that ultimately stem from a falsehood or misinterpretation.

    Biden did indeed have a hand in writing it. Bernie voted for it. McConnell voted for it the first time, but voted against it the second saying 'it wasn't tough enough'. The Congressional Black Caucus supported it. As did nearly 40 Black religious leaders.

    In terms of positives, it included the first Violence Against Women Act. Allowed for certain people, d*** offenders mostly, to access treatment/rehab rather than prison in some cases. Banned 19 assault weapons.

    At the time the GOP were keen for a mandatory minimum sentencing clause. Biden did not include this.

    Now the main negative against it is the three strikes provision. Biden was vocal against this at the time and has continued to be to this day. The provision was campaigned for by the GOP, and the Dems included it in return for :

    • 1.8 billion in support for domestic violence
    • 1.8 billion to establish d*** courts to rehabilitate low level offenders and avoid prison
    • 14 Billion in grants for community-oriented programs in treatment and social support.

    Ultimately, while the bill did manage to do good things, unfortunately it did target Black communities in excess. However, at the time the outlook towards the bill was largely positive and it was widely supported, with good intentions from all involved.

    Key sources (among other general readings):
    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/biden-on-the-1994-crime-bill/
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1994/h416

    There is other misinformation I see spread about Biden that I may delve into and tackle at a later date.

  • You’re wasting your time. The Biden hate on this site stems from Trump d*** riders and Bernie fan boys.

  • allmygirlsdoyoga

    You’re wasting your time. The Biden hate on this site stems from Trump d*** riders and Bernie fan boys.

    Even if this just manages to convince one person to vote this year, who wasn't otherwise, it's worthwhile

  • Biden also wants to reduce solitary confinement (should be nearly eliminated, but it's a start), end cash bail and private prisons, and repeal mandatory minimums but they won't tell you about that

  • Lmfao

  • The truth is,” Mr. Biden had boasted a year earlier in a speech on the Senate floor, “every major crime bill since 1976 that’s come out of this Congress, every minor crime bill, has had the name of the Democratic senator from the State of Delaware: Joe Biden.”

  • DwindlingSun
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    Too often I see posters all too quick to rattle off this as a defining objection to Biden, that ultimately stem from a falsehood or misinterpretation.

    Biden did indeed have a hand in writing it. Bernie voted for it. McConnell voted for it the first time, but voted against it the second saying 'it wasn't tough enough'. The Congressional Black Caucus supported it. As did nearly 40 Black religious leaders.

    In terms of positives, it included the first Violence Against Women Act. Allowed for certain people, d*** offenders mostly, to access treatment/rehab rather than prison in some cases. Banned 19 assault weapons.

    At the time the GOP were keen for a mandatory minimum sentencing clause. Biden did not include this.

    Now the main negative against it is the three strikes provision. Biden was vocal against this at the time and has continued to be to this day. The provision was campaigned for by the GOP, and the Dems included it in return for :

    1.8 billion in support for domestic violence

    1.8 billion to establish d*** courts to rehabilitate low level offenders and avoid prison

    14 Billion in grants for community-oriented programs in treatment and social support.

    Ultimately, while the bill did manage to do good things, unfortunately it did target Black communities in excess. However, at the time the outlook towards the bill was largely positive and it was widely supported, with good intentions from all involved.

    Key sources (among other general readings):
    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/biden-on-the-1994-crime-bill/
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1994/h416

    There is other misinformation I see spread about Biden that I may delve into and tackle at a later date.

    while Biden isnt "as bad" as some people make him out to be, and I'll definitely give you credit for writing this up, i def think a lot of people kinda misunderstand why there's so much animosity toward him. bernie diehards and trump syncophants aside, there is a growing left coalition of people who do not simply want a "compromise" on their values (to a degree) - in other words, they don't want a politician who throws them a bone (or multiple) out of pragmatism or sympathy, they want a politician who embodies their message and reform is passed out of genuine agreement rather than unwitting electoral force - at least partially. this def exists on the right too, for clarity, its not just a left thing, but its a little less prominent because candidates on the right are typically far more uniform under the GOP, and the more radical right doesnt have any actual leverage beyond s***posting on twitter and 4chan.
    the current hatred towards politicians like him stems less from specific things like this and more that people do not just want sociopolitical reform but genuine revamping of holistic societal structures, which is something no matter how pragmatic or sympathetic a candidate is, isnt likely to happen under a historically establishment-adjacent politician. people still, years later, feel incredibly burned by obama because they feel despite his message and background he perpetuated societal flaws, such as wars in the middle east.
    youre likely gonna get s*** on for this type of rhetoric here because there's a lot more people on these forums (and social media in general), who are anti-biden less individually and more "spiritually". its why many people likely wont have their minds changed by this type of rhetoric

  • krishna bound

    while Biden isnt "as bad" as some people make him out to be, and I'll definitely give you credit for writing this up, i def think a lot of people kinda misunderstand why there's so much animosity toward him. bernie diehards and trump syncophants aside, there is a growing left coalition of people who do not simply want a "compromise" on their values (to a degree) - in other words, they don't want a politician who throws them a bone (or multiple) out of pragmatism or sympathy, they want a politician who embodies their message and reform is passed out of genuine agreement rather than unwitting electoral force - at least partially. this def exists on the right too, for clarity, its not just a left thing, but its a little less prominent because candidates on the right are typically far more uniform under the GOP, and the more radical right doesnt have any actual leverage beyond s***posting on twitter and 4chan.
    the current hatred towards politicians like him stems less from specific things like this and more that people do not just want sociopolitical reform but genuine revamping of holistic societal structures, which is something no matter how pragmatic or sympathetic a candidate is, isnt likely to happen under a historically establishment-adjacent politician. people still, years later, feel incredibly burned by obama because they feel despite his message and background he perpetuated societal flaws, such as wars in the middle east.
    youre likely gonna get s*** on for this type of rhetoric here because there's a lot more people on these forums (and social media in general), who are anti-biden less individually and more "spiritually". its why many people likely wont have their minds changed by this type of rhetoric

    Well aware of the unpopularity this post will likely recieve. Facts are important however. Regarding the bulk of your response, thats not something I see effort in adressing nor is it a position people are likely to be malleable on in the first place. This is to simply highlight the inaccuracies touted surrounding the Crime Bill.

  • i am not much fan of biden but reading his policies he has bunch intersting policies that could benefit people

    TBH whats gonna be more intersting is who gets VP as i don't think biden will survive the whole 8 years (if he gets two terms at office) and they will take over instead (he did say he wants to get female so lets see)

    through bernie was my guy through

  • EuroNymous

    i am not much fan of biden but reading his policies he has bunch intersting policies that could benefit people

    TBH whats gonna be more intersting is who gets VP as i don't think biden will survive the whole 8 years (if he gets two terms at office) and they will take over instead (he did say he wants to get female so lets see)

    through bernie was my guy through

    Dems would have a new candidate for 2024

  • PapiPedro

    Dems would have a new candidate for 2024

    mmm why can't the VP take over if it was during a term if she got chosen as VP

  • EuroNymous

    mmm why can't the VP take over if it was during a term if she got chosen as VP

    Possibly but it really depends on who he picks

  • PapiPedro

    Possibly but it really depends on who he picks

    Michele Obama
    Queen

  • allmygirlsdoyoga

    You’re wasting your time. The Biden hate on this site stems from Trump d*** riders and Bernie fan boys.

    LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • allmygirlsdoyoga

    You’re wasting your time. The Biden hate on this site stems from Trump d*** riders and Bernie fan boys.

    add people who don't live in America and you have the holy trinity

  • I’m not voting for Biden until he shows me a legitimate reason why he deserves my vote.

  • allmygirlsdoyoga

    You’re wasting your time. The Biden hate on this site stems from Trump d*** riders and Bernie fan boys.

    Or because Biden is trash lol

  • allmygirlsdoyoga

    You’re wasting your time. The Biden hate on this site stems from Trump d*** riders and Bernie fan boys.

  • 106

    I’m not voting for Biden until he shows me a legitimate reason why he deserves my vote.

    He was friend with a black guy is his go to reason to vote for him

  • bot

    He was friend with a black guy is his go to reason to vote for him

    And for a lot of people in this thread

    People really tryna act like he’s not just a diet trump

    Have fun advocating for someone who thinks you can’t think for yourselves fellas

  • will biden stop sanctions, wars, bombing, aggression?

    will biden defund police?

    moderates are useless

  • 106

    And for a lot of people in this thread

    People really tryna act like he’s not just a diet trump

    Have fun advocating for someone who thinks you can’t think for yourselves fellas

    "diet trump"

    @DwindlingSun
    OP, you're trying to convince morons like this?

  • KuntaKinte

    "diet trump"

    @DwindlingSun
    OP, you're trying to convince morons like this?

    Just trying to inform those who all so frequently cite the crime bill without understanding the context or key facts

  • DwindlingSun

    Just trying to inform those who all so frequently cite the crime bill without understanding the context or key facts

    Nah, I understand, I was just making a joke.

    However, honestly, I don't even know anymore. I understand its hard for individuals to gather information but the utter inability some people have to google an event and understand the historical context before spitting out their hot takes, is f***ing insane.

    Even on just a little internet forum, its just disheartening how anti intellectual behavior is just so diffuse online.

    But respect for making the thread

  • 106

    I’m not voting for Biden until he shows me a legitimate reason why he deserves my vote.

    "Trump wins otherwise" isn't a valid reason?

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