im from aus

i’m doing a double degree in law/political science

I don’t think synopsis wants to censor you or anyone I think he is correctly skeptical of American anti-communist indoctrination but you definitely seem to have an open enough mind about the subject to come to your own conclusions from what you learn not from what you’re told.

I’m on a similar boat as you.

I think he’s joking

But then you’re not educated

I guess OP missed that certain events and conditions can turn people radical...or in the other direction as well.

A lot of users that were probably Social Liberals have been pushed further and further left by a sequence of events globally.

trynna get into law or politics?

hol up before u get too excited

im back lmao

Online forums are breeding zones for radicalization. Thank God we’re a Hip-Hop forum so that don’t really happen here but yeah what you’re saying combined with the access to so many ideas. Radicalization will happen to some unfortunately.

Debate time

online forums aren't a breeding zone for radicalization, the real world is. the online world just provides radicals an outlet to connect to each other globally.

possibly but the more you learn about the law industry the more you become disillusioned with it. sticking with it though and will evaluate options later. but yeah I’d like to think we are looking at the CCP and USSR trajectories and histories that led to where they are now rather than bashing communism. my parents are immigrants and grew up in village systems more closely representing socialism/communism than capitalism so I’m not inherently against the idea, just think it’s might difficult to sustain in big populations. works fine in the village system and it’s beautiful to see.

I’d disagree. The disparity occurs in the real world but most people don’t have a homie IRL sending them b****ute and stormfront links to explain why certain things are the way they are

honestly offended synop thinks i‘m trolling here when I’ve raised an interesting question about why the CCP is more successful than the USSR right now. And why the USSR was so against the Prague Spring.

F*** Capitalism

Exactly I’m actually a big fan of the idea of socialist communities within a capitalist state. We need a legitimate testing ground for socialism I think it’s clear we can’t just have a revolution and abolish capitalism within the span of a few years.

no neutral person is going to just come to the internet and become a communist is my point. there needs to be something in real life that radicalizes them.

Forums don't have much to do with it.

You can't hear about the things going on in the world especially as a relatively young person and not have it effect you.

The internet in general has made it easier to find learning supplements to grow your socio-political views, however.

And it being on the internet isn't going to make a difference.

There's plenty of people on the internet all day who don't know a majority of things lol. Something has to lead you to it.

i became a socialist after working in tax law doing cayman islands s*** for european aristocrats. once you go to the big leagues of finance there's no way you fall for the bullshit media tells you. even they don't believe that neoliberal gospel bullshit, but they say if there's gonna be winners and losers in our society i might as well be a winner. everybody knows it's a fragile house of cards and decoupled from the real industry of productive labor. besides that, lawyers are just the weed carriers of the real powerful, so their wealth is dependent on keeping the system as it is going.

right lol most people i know on the internet are mostly just disconnected from any sort of ideological leanings

Okay so you said

Socialism directly requires authoritarianism

Which I disagreed with, on the basis that I don't equate socialism only to the authoritarian governments that have used some of its ideas or to the violence of revolutions that were pro-soc./communism,

but rather socialism at its core which, to my interpretation, involves a sense of collective ownership and accountability as opposed to not being able to regulate multi-billionaires while wealth inequality is increasing.

I find it useful to consider social policies when we look at where unchecked capitalism falls short, it often lends itself to wealth hoarding and greed, and championing capitalism to any high degree raises a (red, ironically) flag to me because it prioritizes squeezing the most profit out of low wages and so on,

I'm from the U.S. so I have a specific view of the fruits good and bad of capitalism in this country but I'm sure other ppl ITT see it differently from where they live and etc

I just don't see socialism as government but rather a set of ideas and values that may inform said government

I don't wanna put words in your mouth but I also don't think implementing socialist and more compassionate to the working class policy, and safety nets, requires "authoritarianism" as it were, but rather changes in legislation.

Thats where it gets trickier when it comes to bureaucracy but thats just a bit of my point of view, prob sounds stupid as hell but im exhausted

TL:DR: socialism to me is a set of ideas and philosophy that informs government and doesn't necessarily have to be authoritarian because the authoritarian part stems from a different aspect of the governments needs to control people in other ways

yep just learnt about a similar idea china used when testing economic reform early in deng xiaoping's reign that involved using zones known as special economic zones which attracted foreign investment/production that were market-based instead of the conventional planned economy.

this is more interesting to me than ideology because at a certain point concessions need to be made and you must adapt. and then we can look at more viable alternatives

That's the thing is most power structures through no matter what philosophy they choose to champion are created by force at one way or another,

this may not be relevant but:

I'm not sure if you're trying to say that communism is worse than capitalism when human beings were literally capital for hundreds if not thousands of years and were sooner killed off and split from their families because it was cheaper to get new fresh labor than keep the slaves that were brutally abused each day until they died

i got other s*** to do but ima come back to this thread and continue

u havent seen the last of me kollaps

funny how the concessions are always towards capitalism and never towards socialism anymore tho huh

capitalists and socialists when we both realize we tryna die