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  • Aug 4, 2020
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    Enpax

    I didn’t “come at him” because he wrote a ten line paragraph, I pointed out his hypocrisy in acting like I was too emotionally invested in the topic despite him writing even more than me as his first post, showing he does care to some extent about the thread

    Also pointing out there are more socialists doesn’t necessarily equate to a criticism of socialism. My problems with socialism weren’t even stated in the post you’re replying to Most people on this site are sympathetic to black lives matter, me pointing that out doesn’t mean I’m not sympathetic to socialism.

    Im not a trump supporter, or a conservative, and you’re most recent thread is you slurping a member of Congress that actually wields some type of authority, so who’s really bootlicking you a scum of the earth waste of human life

    Ngl bro, I’m not reading all that bullshit.

  • Gojira 🦖
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    I don’t think white people in western countries should be allowed to be communists cause that’s just hypocritical and seems like a deflection from realizing systemic racism is a bigger issue but that’s just me

  • Aug 4, 2020
    allmygirlsdoyoga

    Ngl bro, I’m not reading all that bullshit.

    Yet you could read the original post you responded to...

  • Aug 4, 2020
    Gojira

    I don’t think white people in western countries should be allowed to be communists cause that’s just hypocritical and seems like a deflection from realizing systemic racism is a bigger issue but that’s just me

    you are incapable of making a good post its honestly amazing.

  • KEV 🧊
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  • Aug 4, 2020
    Gojira

    I don’t think white people in western countries should be allowed to be communists cause that’s just hypocritical and seems like a deflection from realizing systemic racism is a bigger issue but that’s just me

    Where do you think that systemic part comes from

  • Aug 4, 2020
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    ARCADE GOON

    Was everybody's goal. The Soviets famously said they would reach communism in a few decades. What they did not anticipate was that they wouldn't last that long because of various factors, mostly the lack of computerized planning, too much focus on heavy industry instead of light industry, and the disastrous war in Afghanistan

    You don’t think Stalin is a big reason Soviets never reached communism?

  • Aug 4, 2020
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    ARCADE GOON

    Was everybody's goal. The Soviets famously said they would reach communism in a few decades. What they did not anticipate was that they wouldn't last that long because of various factors, mostly the lack of computerized planning, too much focus on heavy industry instead of light industry, and the disastrous war in Afghanistan

    Great info though had no idea this was the end goal of communism I always assumed the end goal was a big communist state.

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    Scratchin Mamba

    "While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State." - Lenin

    Lenin lowkey the boy. Very lowkey. I really believe he had good intentions.

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    KOLLAPS

    You don’t think Stalin is a big reason Soviets never reached communism?

    Well, I don't think so. The Soviet Union had its biggest boom period right after Stalin died, so the downfall did not happen with Stalin. I think the stagnation started with Brezhnev in the 70s. Stalin might have been one of many root causes but not the immediate reason.

    The idea of socialism, which I agree with Trotsky on, is "permanent revolution". Socialism is the transition between capitalism and communism. You have to change things up every once in a while, make the state smaller and smaller, and make the economy more and more democratized. The Soviets stopped doing this in the 70s. They were not socialist enough to have proper socialism, they were not capitalist enough to have proper capitalism. They were stuck in an ugly place in between.

    That being said, Stalin of course made huge mistakes:

    • Stalin changed a lot of Lenin's policies. Lenin had a more open vision of society. Artists like Proletkult society, or the legalization of homosexuality all happened under Lenin. Lenin also imagined a bit more of a council system (the word soviet means council in Russian), meaning that it would basically be lots of different councils, from bottom-to-top, governing the society. Like an apartment council, school council, neighborhood council and so on.

    • Stalin was too paranoid and purged his enemies inside the party and the military, and couldn't reign in the secret service. He lost control for a while of the Soviet Union. He made too many enemies for no reason at all.

    • Stalin had a very specific vision of what socialism would be and didn't support people who thought otherwise. This was one of the reasons for the split between China and the USSR later on. This also caused the anarchists to lose in Catalonia.

    • Stalin was very naive in that he believed that capitalist and communists could be friends. Communists could have won the civil war in Greece, but Stalin was too afraid of making the UK angry. In hindsight, this was a strategic mistake, because the USA sure didn't pull any punches.

    • Stalin let there be a resurgence of Russian chauvinism, especially in the era after WW2, which caused a lot of resentment amongst minorities. Things like forced migrations.

    These are the big negatives I can think of. The biggest positive is obviously winning World War 2 and taking a backwater agricultural country that was on the level of Brazil into a space-faring superpower within the span of three decades, but Lenin or Trotsky would have achieved that too.

  • Aug 4, 2020
    KOLLAPS

    Great info though had no idea this was the end goal of communism I always assumed the end goal was a big communist state.

    The end-goal is to have a society where the people rule themselves, a state as we know it does not exist, money has been abolished, classes have been abolished and people are free to do as they please as long as they do not harm others. Furthermore, any labor that will be done will only be for the usefulness of people, not for the pursuit of profits.It is obviously an ideal and perhaps it may never be reached, but humans should always strive for something better and never be complacent IMO.

    Marx famously put it this way:

    "In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic."

  • Aug 5, 2020
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    A communist is someone who has read Lenin and Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Lenin and Marx.

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    loner

    A communist is someone who has read Lenin and Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Lenin and Marx.

    What did Reagan even mean when he said this lmao

    It's stupid anyway tho

  • Aug 5, 2020
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    Scratchin Mamba

    What did Reagan even mean when he said this lmao

    It's stupid anyway tho

    Its funnier cuz u know hes never read them

  • Aug 5, 2020
    Synopsis

    Its funnier cuz u know hes never read them

  • Aug 5, 2020
    Scratchin Mamba

    What did Reagan even mean when he said this lmao

    It's stupid anyway tho

    it's funny because you can literally have that same quote about anything: religion, capitalism, whatever. not insightful at all lmao

  • Aug 5, 2020
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    loner

    A communist is someone who has read Lenin and Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Lenin and Marx.

    most people have never read das kaptial

    why wouldn't someone read it even if you not in that political spectrum tbh, knowledge is power

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    KOLLAPS

    Lenin lowkey the boy. Very lowkey. I really believe he had good intentions.

    Ain't that the tragedy of good intentions
    Why do they always seem to pave a road towards savagery and murder?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k_R9bpdndE

  • Aug 5, 2020
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    EuroNymous

    most people have never read das kaptial

    why wouldn't someone read it even if you not in that political spectrum tbh, knowledge is power

    My boy (who is a hyper capitalist) read it and called it the best book ever

    Had to explain to him that Marx was actually denouncing capitalism

  • Aug 5, 2020
    mirza

    Ain't that the tragedy of good intentions
    Why do they always seem to pave a road towards savagery and murder?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k_R9bpdndE

    Gang will watch this after I get off GTA

  • Aug 5, 2020
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    lenin was an opportunist

  • Aug 5, 2020
    KOLLAPS

    My boy (who is a hyper capitalist) read it and called it the best book ever

    Had to explain to him that Marx was actually denouncing capitalism

  • Aug 5, 2020
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    Frog

    lenin was an opportunist

    How so. Do you mean this negatively?

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    Imagine not being apart of the Birthday Party

  • Aug 5, 2020
    Synopsis

    Its funnier cuz u know hes never read them

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