Classic post

Treat your eyes right and turn on dark mode tho

Idk I’m not one for dark modes when it comes to really anything lol

Ah yes, 4 people. Also known as the vast majority on here and elsewhere

I'm not sure Bandit's post qualifies as "unironic" — however, the Land Reform era went through phases, and after peaceful redistribution seemed to be implausible, the only measure left to take was the extreme one.

So yeah, I'd say Mao treated landlords as appropriately as he could (or the options he perceived as viable at that point).

If a landlord knocked on my door and told me they needed my rent two days early or they were going to call the cops. And while I sat there and thought about how I had no legal recourse or economic means to alleviate the situation, the landlord was at my job telling my boss to decrease my pay, before adding my children's names to a blacklist that prevented them from enrolling in proper education.... Yeah, I'd probably kill em too.

Thought they went on the OG site to gather those up at first

1. You asked on ktt, I gave you 4 seperate examples
2. Communists =/= socialists, and yes, most communists are cool with mao
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I’m not sure why you’re trying to act like Mao isn’t someone online communists have good things to say about. I mean teenage losers in a high school phase might think “oh communism is so cool but it hasn’t been actually tried yet” but most far leftists would consider Mao more honorable than basically any western leader. That’s not to say they worship him, but that they don’t certainly condemn him

Let’s be real though, even if I gave you 10 screenshots you would’ve told me 10 wasn’t indicative of a site with thousands of users

Yeah you can take bandit with a small grain of salt, but he was still defending mao, even if he wasn’t outright praising him

If you’d kill your landlord for being a scum parasite then fine, but please don’t tell me you oppose the death penalty on moral grounds or something then

You act like someone can't like a few things someone said or did and dislike some others.

I dont see the moral correlation between those things.

A) A violent uprising against an elite, educated, national policing group that operates to keep everyone in their jurisdiction impoverished and uninformed — and only as a last resort effort

B) The state murdering an individual convicted criminal for something that could have been treated through rehabilitation and reintroduction — or even worse, murdering one after they've spent 15 years (on average) doing nothing but waiting to be murdered; 15 years that could've been spent on rehabilitation and reintroduction.

How are these related?

Couldn't have said it any better king

Out of curiosity, have you actually read any of those links? (And i'd like the link to wherever that is so I can read some of them as well.)

"The majority of far leftists"

Bro is talking like he's reporting live from the year 1968 when Maoism (and the unfortunately named Marxist-Leninist-Maoist) was still all the rage before Europe had caught wind of what Mao's China had turned into.

A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains – let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court of morality!

Why would you say MLM is unfortunately named?

Yes, I’ve read all of them months ago lol

It a damn mouthful

And it's not exactly an inviting label for recruitment or allyship of workers, cause it just sounds (superficially) like a product of affluent education.

Idk. Whenever I read it I can't help but think about the recent trend of social identity checklist Twitter bios haha

He was on one for sure

I said defend. If I brought up the fact that Mussolini decreased unemployment, why would I bring that up if not to stick up for him in some capacity. Like yeah mao brought poverty down and industry up, but at what cost. Also the economy increased far more dramatically after the market reforms

Can you give me a shorthand of a couple of the arguments and what you reject from them?

Cause you apparently aint giving me that link...

most far leftists would consider Mao more honorable than basically any western leader. That’s not to say they worship him, but that they don’t certainly condemn him

Let’s be real though, even if I gave you 10 screenshots you would’ve told me 10 wasn’t indicative of a site with thousands of users

C'mon son. This is entering J. Edgar Hoover territory.

"I've got a local group of Communists whose membership totals 10 strong! The whole state must be overflowing with them! 🤬"

Well here’s the link to the page
reddit.com/r/communism/wiki/debunk

And by “I read all of them months ago” I really meant the mao ones specifically (at least the ones still available). The basis of the argument is that mao helped introduce vast literacy and public health programs that ended up actualky increasing the life expectancy of China, and that famines were a widespread occurrence in China throughout its history, and there’s no reason to think that mao planned them out in the 21st century.

1. There have been massive literacy and public health programs in capitalist countries, so I don’t see why mao doing something right in that regard should be seen as some point for socialism
2. The poverty rate took a massive downturn in the decades after China opened up its economy, so you can hardly attribute chinas current success to mao. Again, the industrialization could’ve occurred in a free market
3. The great Chinese famine was like the worst one in its history and can be specifically linked to inefficient allocations and production of food in China by communist policies. We know this because many other communist countries that tried this had similar results. We also know this because the Chinese government learned from their mistakes and massively replanned how they would conduct agriculture

The truth is for the majority of Chinese people mao didn’t improve their lives as much as the communists claim he did. He was better than the feudal guys and colonists but his policies restricted the movement of the rural masses and neglected social services for them in favor of the urban populations iron rice bowl. The liberealization in decades afterwards have done far more to raise the living standards of the Chinese people than maos policies

You’re the one who said you would kill your landlord if he was doing what they were doing in China. Why do you believe the landlords couldn’t have been rehabilitated in a way that a serial murderer or rapist could

Some of them could and were rehabilitated actually

For the same reason I don't believe the executives of telecoms, media conglomerates, oil manufacturers, and the titans of silicon valley can't be rehabilitated: they literally control the lives of those under them in addition to global commerce.

You're also leaving out the part where peaceful land reform was attempted, but the literati simply had too much power over the villages across the country.