you ain’t catching me at a mall in 2020

this is from japan:

the white date (march 19) is when they lifted the state of emergency (because as u can see, the numbers were going down, and the economy was hit hard)

and they kept going down after that! wow they defeated the virus, good job on lifting the state of emergency

nope, they got hit with a way way way worse second wave

the numbers going down doesnt mean s***.

So many people not wearing masks anymore. And half the ones that do wear it under their chins instead of covering their faces 😂

For real everyone acting like corona packed its bags and went home. People so dumb and this second wave coming hard and much much worse than the first. Like y’all don’t realize we had 2 million cases with no one leaving their house....

Tbh nobody was ever completely locked down though. When this whole "lockdown" was in place, I still seen tons of people outside doing dumb s*** so I wouldn't really classify it as everybody not leaving the house. This whole thing is a s*** show honestly

“You know jus....just look at dah numbers”

It's all well and good to dunk on people for being ignorant, but let's talk history for a second.

No one in this thread could name a single strain of coronavirus in human history that has behaved the way SARS-CoV-2 is being expected to ITT. Coronaviruses are not influenza, and the "second wave" talk is largely based on the assumption that a coronavirus will mimic the Spanish Flu when it's never really happened before with this type of virus.

There are seven coronaviruses known to cause illness in humans and four of them result in colds. Two of them, SARS and MERS, burned themselves out within 12 months before they could become pandemics. SARS had a second wave of sorts that was short lived and regional (most notably the Toronto metro area), but it's not really comparable to what some are predicting for COVID-19.

It's possible, even likely, that our situation will get worse before it gets better in the long run. There could be a second peak that comes sooner than fall. Some states have certainly not peaked yet. It's also likely that we see multiple small outbreaks return in areas that seemed to be improving. No one should let their guard down until we have a vaccine that is proven to work in the community.

But the theory that the numbers we have now are "just the beginning" because the virus is going to go dormant for three months and come back like it took a power nap isn't really based on reliable science. And its grasp of history is tenuous at best.

This study from an Oxford research fellow lays out the history of epidemic waves, including coronaviruses, and basically comes to the same conclusion I'm making: we really don't know what is going to happen.

cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-epidemic-waves

i agree, we dont know whats going to happen, but id rather have people act like it could get way worse (so they keep cautious) than ppl act like its all better now because they are at the other side of a peak

This post is exactly what I mean when I say Doomers are itt

First, it was obvious Japan was suppressing numbers prior to March 24 when the Olympics were postponed.

Second, you didn’t link a current enough graph to show that these numbers are down again (despite Japan not reneging on lockdown measures)

Finally, total case number is a terrible metric for how well a country is handling the virus because almost every country is increasing testing, meaning case numbers will obviously go up... better ones are deaths, hospitalizations, and % of positive tests.

Btw, Japan never really did a full lockdown, so attributing your graph to relaxation of one is pretty misleading

Just speaking for myself, my wife doesn't have to go back to her office until August and my mom is coming to visit us the last week of July, so I intend to hide out until then. At that point idk what I'm supposed to do because I'm going to start getting exposed through family.

Until then though, I'm keeping the status quo. Shop as little as possible, always wear a mask in public, hand washing any time I go outside for any reason.

Of course it’s not gone, but the numbers are trending down worldwide (except for South America which is now experiencing its initial outbreak).

No one itt is a virologist, and no one in the world knows the true behavior of this virus, so I’m just going off the facts.. i.e. that many countries have relaxed measures and yet not seen the explosion in cases that people itt have predicted countless times. And no one has experienced a “second wave” rivaling or exceeding their first at all

Numbers are trending down worldwide? That's completely false when you mean new cases. Death numbers are going down but lots of countries aren't fully reporting them too, especially Africa.

Parts of Asia, especially Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and India are particularly affected and experts suspect an even larger outbreak there in the coming weeks.

South America is just getting started. No further comments here. Peru and Chile failed their lockdowns massively and it shows. Brazil never had a lockdown anyway.

Africa is not testing extensively and the WHO is now forcing many countries and asking for help to increase test capacities. South Africa estimates 50,000 deaths at best.

We can't compare Oceania with other continents, since on average they are much smaller and it's easier to isolate them, which they have succeeded so far. Europe started much earlier and is on the safe path right now but there are also many criticisms because the tests have decreased (except for Italy). The biggest problem in Europe is that it has open borders everywhere and people sometimes work in other countries and governments prefer to risk it again, which is understandable.

I don't want to talk about our country, we took the biggest L so far (and nobody should come with the argument "it's only old people", many of them could have lived for years because they had diseases that were well under control), even if it's going well at the moment (except for states like Virginia, which reported a new peak today).

So that shows one thing: the numbers don't go down worldwide except deaths. The poorer countries are slowly coming and that's even worse.

As you can see, society is already having a hard time staying at home in the US because they need money. Poor countries are struggling even harder because they don't have the system what we (or many countries in Europe) have.

Death rates are the most important metric tho. If more people have the virus but aren’t dying, that’s actually a good thing.

We can talk about underreporting of deaths, which I’m sure is happening in places, but I don’t think enough to say that this isn’t mostly decelerating like numbers suggest

Case numbers increasing can be attributed to many things, but it’s obvious that the vast majority get infected without dying, so why care about case numbers if deaths aren’t increasing similarly?

Best example I can give is Cali... our cases have been steadily increasing yet our deaths and hospitalizations are decreasing

In my opinion case numbers are also important because you can see how wide spread it is in countries. If the case numbers going down, it's usually assumed that the death toll will decrease too.

And of course, some countries are def underreporting deaths. Russia is basically confirmed and the ONS in the UK says 47,343 people died of COVID-19 while the "confirmed" death toll is at 37,048.

We will probably never see how many people died from this because we had this virus easily way earlier than expected anyway

alright fam, so i was 99% sure i had covid when this whole thing started, mid-late march. i had eye pains, lower back pains (both a few days and i NEVER have those symptoms), and no sense of smell at all for like 2 weeks. i live in nyc area, was using the subway up until mid march.

a friend of mine who i was with a few days before that and her mom got covid and recovered fine

so i went for the antibody test yesterday, and somehow it came back negative wtf? did i have something else that gave me those symptoms? are these tests really that inaccurate?

Same with me. I had the chest pains, shortness of breath, the odd leg pain symptom, random extreme fatigue but my results came back negative (admittedly about a month after these symptoms started showing up). My girl got the antibody test and it came back negative for her.

Lol

If you’re in NYC def try to get another test done for sure

This is what they think about you.

I wish liberals and conservatives could come to an agreement that trump doesn’t care about any of us and is truly the common enemy.

They’re too busy owning libs

Which politician do you think cares about you

Had to go to the dmv today literally hundreds of people in line no masks, all close to each other, I heard people coughing and s***, ain’t gonna lie had me pretty paranoid. if I do get corona it’ll be from the s*** I had to go through today