Look, while I believe we do need to have police reform (demilitarization, end qualified immunity, decriminalize d**** and s***work, sending mental health & social workers) the slogan itself is f***ing awful

It sounds like something the far right would come up with to scare rural voters, it has the same ring as “the democrats are going to take your guns” To defund = abolishment to these people.

It’s horrible to call it this way, 2020 showed how important getting the votes from suburban moderates are we can’t kneecap ourselves and have this s*** messaging.

I’m specifically referring to the branding and messaging of the slogan, these principles associated with it I mentioned above are important, but call it anything else, please

You not wrong

ok

Abolish the police and I promise everyone will be nice to each other, trust me :)

My sisters a therapist

I don’t want HER going into a volatile situation instead of armed police.

stupid post

you think its an awful slogan because you don't want to defund the police. just be honest lol

We’re talking about non violent mental health crises

When theirs a wellness check, send trained professionals, not law enforcement

I think demilitarizing sounds like defunding to me

read this it might give u a diff perspective

he talkin bout the phrasing of the slogan tho, not its ideas. a book wont change the way most ppl interpret "defund" unless most ppl also read the book or smthn, assuming the book expands on what "defund" means

No, not necessarily. Defunding the police means the eventual abolition of the police. simply cutting their budget by such and such amount means nothing.

We should end the mass incarceration/end the war on d****/end private prison industry

Where would you put the murderers and rapists than?

OP is just a liberal is all.

I’m sorry I’m not a radical Bernie or bust bro so I’m not going to get into this, but you’re never going to convince farm workers in North Dakota to abolish the police

Says who? you?

Exactly

The ideas behind it I agree and support

But it doesn’t matter how good the ideas are if the message is garbage

op just wants to stop at half measures because he thinks so lowly of the people that they might not be able to stop raping and murdering each other if we didn't have the boys in blue. sad outlook, really.

ok Obama

yeah, it's a marketing blunder except to the ingroup that started the phrase

So you think their’d be no crime if their was no law enforcement?

Nope, not what I or anyone else has said either

Srry I’m not a Bernie bro

once again, you are the only one using that term lmao. its like you can't help but misrepresent things.