OP also said that every election we choose between “ruining our social services or ruining our economy” and wants me to think that people who think that should be voting directly on policy

But I've just spent 8 hours explaining how representative democracy is inferior to direct democracy in nearly every way.

Also, yes, you're being ignorant and not comprehending my argument. People will spend their free time understanding things that are important and that personally benefit them.

If they're willing to work 40 hours a week to support themselves and their family, they're not lazy, they're working 40 hours a week. You're telling me they can't spend 2 hours a week reading? You're the stupid one here, not the majority.

If you think 2 hours a week reading is enough to properly understand the amount of policy that goes through government and it’s implications you are on crack

It's true though, the left continues to haphazardly promise social services with little concern of how to fund them, and the right comes in and destroys them, and 20 years later we've made no progress.

2 hours a week for 52 weeks in a year, you don't think 104 hours of reading a year is enough to form an opinion on 10 policies? That's 10.4 hours per policy. If you wanna up it to 4 hours a week go ahead.

There is barely even a left in America lmao

Not to mention that the economy for the last 80 years has risen under every single president dem or republican

It's grown much slower than it would under a more efficient direct democracy.

104 hours is not even enough time to truly understand a single major policy like the ACA

and if you think only 10 policies a year happen then you really have absolutely no business making this thread

If the American people as a whole were left to control economic policy this country would be absolutely ruined

104 hours is enough time to listen to different proposals from actual professionals who spend their entire lives on these issues. Do you think representative leaders spend more time than that?

And how are you gonna control who those experts are? Right now people get their news from Facebook lol

And it’s absolutely not even close to enough time
There are literally 100+ FEDERAL laws passed per year
Let alone state and district policy

Maybe we don't need that many laws.

All your criticisms of direct democracy are on the specifics of executing it, which I haven't figured out yet.

You haven’t figured it out because it’s not possible lol

You're right, we need to figure out how to assure we have a reasonable number of votes each year, as well as how to minimize other potential flaws, but it's very clearly superior to representative democracy, and to suggest it's not possible is ridiculous and baseless.

We need to come up with solutions, not just assume it's impossible. Things worth building take a lot of hard work.

I'm sick of theorizing though, I'm building my own country this summer, been planning it for years now. We'll figure it out as we go, if direct democracy sucks we'll probably all die, but I refuse to sit on the internet ranting about politics any longer, imma actually do something to make the world a better place, or at least f***ing try.

Y'all can either help me figure out how to organize this government or just sit back and watch me die.

The best laid plans of mice and men are never right, you must treat the government as an individual organism and allow it to evolve independently. I doubt any structure anyone could come up with would last more than a few days before being proven flawed, such is the nature of politics. That doesn't mean we shouldn't bother having a government, the best you can do is your best and nothing more. What's essential is assuring you have the ability to improve as often and as efficiently as possible, not trying to come up with a flawless system.

This is what direct democracy gives us, the fastest, most efficient and direct way to allow a government to incrementally improve.

Here is the working link from before. Although this won't give everything you need to know, it should put somethings in perspective. I am telling you for your own safety to give yourself the opportunity to learn & grow before you potentially endanger yourself and possibly others on the off chance you actually attempt to do anything.

youtube.com/watch?v=qaNTRFOkp0Q&list=PLmtuEaMvhDZbNVIDHA-MTVH0sLb5HP7Pn

The nature of security dilemmas are changing and people aren’t equipped to deal with that. If people had to vote on every course of action it would jeopardise your security long term. I don’t inherently disagree with what you want to achieve, I think it’s commendable but with globalisation it’s going to be difficult to deal with issues if 100% transparency is required because people will need that to make an informed decision. Diplomats and intelligence agencies wouldn’t be able to do their jobs and there would be a lag in implementing solutions.

Regarding your point of invasion, modern warfare isn’t fought on that front. Look at sharp power tactics. That’s where the future issues lie because authoritarian regimes are able to infiltrate democracies through propaganda and economic coercion to do what they want. How is the public going to process and deal with that when bodies like NATO and the UN can’t even do that. That’s my main concern, in the current structure it’d be difficult for direct democracies to thrive.

Lmao it’s always the academics that are out of touch with the average working-class or even lower middle-class person’s desires and concerns. And they wonder how Trump got elected when they didn’t care to address these people’s concerns lol. My professor grilled our class for thinking we had solutions to these big societal issues when accomplished scholars have dedicated their lives to researching and documenting these theories. I agree with you 100% most people don’t care for policies in general and are almost more concerned with their immediate welfare. And when you think about it, it makes total sense. Their way of life has gradually been getting worse and worse by the elected establishment and Trump tapping into that discontent was genius.

Would a Direct Democracy influence the output of news media as well as the regulation on privacy and unrestricted searches from big companies like Google and Facebook? These are big sources of political agendas and unless these are regulated to something akin to the FCC Fairness Document then they will continue to hold a grip on the mass public’s consensus and further split us